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Post by albertaleon on Mar 21, 2011 6:57:11 GMT -5
I still don't know how I feel about Bill's murder - but I think the reason it was Carl who murdered Bill as opposed to Alby is because Bill anticipated Alby trying to murder him. If Bill would have seen Alby in the front - Bill would have prepared himself - got into the car, pulled out his gun - something. I also think Bill had taken into consideration being killed by someone who disagreed with his faith & the way he lived his life.
Bill never thought he would be murdered over sodding Carl's yard - this is why I think it's more meaningful that Carl murdered Bill because it wasn't in the equation - that's how real life is you don't really know what's going to come out of left field.
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Post by writerwannabe on Mar 21, 2011 7:51:19 GMT -5
nychic I thought of you when I saw the street scenes, and the pull back with the view from overhead. Plus the after the episode piece is entirely on the street -- your street, now!
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Post by missingkathy on Mar 21, 2011 14:21:35 GMT -5
Someone mentioned earlier that nobody called 911 after Bill was shot - actually, Margie did, and you can hear her voice in the background giving the dispatcher their address on a cell phone. But with Bill's wounds, there's no way the ambulance could have gotten there fast enough.
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Post by mbb7 on Mar 21, 2011 16:10:10 GMT -5
So glad I found these forums... I have been looking for a place to discuss this!
I was very pleased with the ending. IMO Bill was so conflicted this was the only way the show could wrap up. Bills faith before family was such a driving force this season, to have it end with both was very fitting. I do think this season was similar to season 4 though, a lot of plotlines brought in that didnt necessarily need to be touched on.
I do wish there was a little resolution to Adelaide's character she was more complex than to just be written off like that.
I could careless about Wanda and Joey not being included.
I have spent most the day reading reactions, and I learned something about the show that makes perfect sense. It was a feminist show... A simple fact, but it just never occurred to me.
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Post by nychic on Mar 21, 2011 16:59:31 GMT -5
nychic I thought of you when I saw the street scenes, and the pull back with the view from overhead. Plus the after the episode piece is entirely on the street -- your street, now! ;D Yay! Thanks for thinking about me that was sweet... I was thinking the same thing. I was all extra happy like... "i've stood right there!"
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Post by scedotal on Mar 21, 2011 17:33:59 GMT -5
I liked the ending. With all the potential enemies, it was somewhat realistic for Bill to get murdered for no apparent reason. However, how did bill have time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn? Didn’t he have a few other things going on? What a hell of a guy to find time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn when he has people trying to kill him, he is losing his business, his family is falling apart, and he is a newly elected state senator on the verge of being impeached. Also, what happened to Teenie. If they were willing to pay Sara for a day of shooting, why not poor Teenie? I also liked how Bill parents, who most of the show hated him, now were reminiscing about their wonderful son all while forgetting about their other son.
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Post by nychic on Mar 21, 2011 18:09:05 GMT -5
I liked the ending. With all the potential enemies, it was somewhat realistic for Bill to get murdered for no apparent reason. However, how did bill have time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn? Didn’t he have a few other things going on? What a hell of a guy to find time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn when he has people trying to kill him, he is losing his business, his family is falling apart, and he is a newly elected state senator on the verge of being impeached. Also, what happened to Teenie. If they were willing to pay Sara for a day of shooting, why not poor Teenie? I also liked how Bill parents, who most of the show hated him, now were reminiscing about their wonderful son all while forgetting about their other son. When did he have time? lol You got me thinking... well, Carl said he got home and his grass was sodded... & i think Bill got out of jail like the day before; so I assuming Bill payed landscapers to sod it. And hahaha your funny. They had a budget and Amanda Seyfried is an Important person (in real life)/ and character... So I'm sure it was either Bring Scott back or Teeny. That's just what I think.... Amanda Seyfried demands way too much money sometimes. I think she wanted 4mil to do Mamma Mia 2. Needless to say, they aren't making the movie after all. lol
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Post by LD no S on Mar 21, 2011 18:15:07 GMT -5
I liked the ending. With all the potential enemies, it was somewhat realistic for Bill to get murdered for no apparent reason. However, how did bill have time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn? Didn’t he have a few other things going on? What a hell of a guy to find time to reseed his neighbor’s lawn when he has people trying to kill him, he is losing his business, his family is falling apart, and he is a newly elected state senator on the verge of being impeached. Also, what happened to Teenie. If they were willing to pay Sara for a day of shooting, why not poor Teenie? I also liked how Bill parents, who most of the show hated him, now were reminiscing about their wonderful son all while forgetting about their other son. RE "where did he find time": i was just saying the very same thing the week before when he was chopping wood ... i turned and said to my husband: "everything going on in his life, and he finds time to chop wood?" ... why couldn't Ben chop the wood? LOL! :-)
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Post by Heather on Mar 21, 2011 18:34:50 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who says it's all Margene's fault. Pam's involvement with Margene and Goji helped Carl get to a new level of crazy.
I was so angry to see her go off on her mission. Her 3 children suffered the loss of their father less then a year ago and then there mom takes off for months at a time.
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Post by duets on Mar 21, 2011 20:44:20 GMT -5
nychic I thought of you when I saw the street scenes, and the pull back with the view from overhead. Plus the after the episode piece is entirely on the street -- your street, now! Me too. I was thinking, wow, NYChic stood right there where all the final action took place!
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Mar 22, 2011 0:50:41 GMT -5
I am more satisfied with the ending than I anticipated. After this season's run, and how abyssmal I felt about where the show was going (and not enough time to wrap things up properly), I didn't think things would end in a satisfactory manner. But they did. Like others have mentioned, not ALL of the questions and plotlines were answered. Or shown. And that's a real shame, especially for big seasonal characters like Joey and Wanda and even Don. I would have liked to have had a two-hour series finale event to really dig in deeper to what happens to everyone, and elaborate more on the epilogue. But, it is what it is. My true focus was on getting some closure with Bill, Barb, Margie, and Nickie, anyway. I'm glad for that. While I don't want to sound terrible, I am elated that Bill died. He may love his wives and family, and he may be doing many of his life's goals and lifepath for them, but in the end he was truly holding them back rather than letting them be free to fly, free to grow as individuals, and free to take charge of their own decisions/lives. That was a big roadblock -- the impasse. With Bill alive, none of it could have been achieved, either by his authority or his spirituality conduct. I became very upset when Barb bailed on her baptism at the last moment. It irritated me because I thought she was going to sacrifice her own happiness and (spiritual) growth for Bill, and his demands; all that guilt tripping/crudeness that he's been doing for most of this season. But then the ending came, and Bill talked about how he made the Church 'for her', and he asked for her blessing, and everything clicked. I felt the most emotional scene, apart from the girls hugging each other at the end, was the scene where they all go out and drive in Barb's new car. The music, the looks that spoke volumes they gave one another, the expressions... it was brilliant. These women wanted to be free, IMO. They wanted to fly, to be out there in the world, to explore and head toward new goals. Perhaps I'm reading into it, but that's what I felt the driving scene symbolized. Wind in the hair, new beginnings, chasing new heights... Just the three of them, as if it were a foreshadowing of Bill's death and only they would remain together on this road of life. Some of the dialogue, too, I felt significant if one could read between the lines... Barb asking Margie where she wants to go, which I interpreted to possibly mean where in life she wants to go now that she's free. "No, outta town. Past the airport, way waaay out." She wants to travel, to see new things. Nickie tries to be restrained by asking for the top down, and Barb responds with, "Just relax. Enjoy the ride." She does need to relax, to enjoy life and the path one travels on. The ladies suddenly get melancholy after their shared smiles and freedoms. Barb reassures that she'll be fine on her own. Then Margie sadly wishes that they could pick up Bill and just continue driving together forever. Whether intentional or accidental, I thought that entire scene had so many layers and meanings, and that it set the entire episode, It was truly moving for me. Fantastic post. You capture many of my feelings as well here.
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Post by paleskinbeauty on Mar 22, 2011 14:11:35 GMT -5
Actually, I think Carl killing Bill was perfect. If Alby or any of hte others had done it, it would seem cliche and 'easy'.
Honestly, I never expected the ending the way it did. I looked at the clock just before it happened and wondered how the heck they were gonna finish it.
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Post by kathy36610 on Mar 22, 2011 16:48:22 GMT -5
Alternative Ending:
I see Nikki as a cross between Queen Victoria (wearing black until she dies) and the Baldwin sister on the Waltons that carried a torch for her long lost love Ashley Longworth.
I see Barb and Margene married to Don Embry and he becomes the man behind the woman at the new church, leading a men's group and forming a non-profit, and starting a succesful men's ministry with a summer camp for lost boys. I see Barb and Peg working together to open a chain of discount, consignment Honeybee stores and job training (Barb would have to use that education). I see the family getting involved and slowly but surely their fortunes restored.
I see Sarah and her husband running the young adults ministry and putting on wholesome musical/theatrical activities for the young people in Barbaras church.
I see the forever mournful Nikki being the fussbudget mother hen who all the kids know love them but with a cantakerous prickly exterior, she is loved and is lovable, but never wants anyone to know.
I can see Wanda moving in with Nikki. That would be perfect! I see Adaleen living in a shack on the compound, slowly going nuts, still sleeping with a photo of Roman, mumbling to herself and generally unpleasant and unkempt. (just desserts!)
I see an equally crazed Selma, losing her mind and entertaining herself by calling Adaleen long distance and hanging up in her face - over and over and over again.
I see Margene married eventually to Goren and Ana. This time they do it right. He comes back first, they date, and eventually marry and send for Ana who comes back with Bill's child and they all live happily ever after in the three houses. Ana, Margene and Goren, Nikki and Wanda, and Don, Peg and Barb. It would be great. Don was always a more compassionate man with the disposition to govern well.
He was the one who stood up to Bill when he fired that popular worker because he overheard the guy making fun of him. I could totally see Barb and Don working together as a ministry team and Peg as the bookkeeper and church secretary. I see them living openly polygamous and happy with everyone leaving them alone out of guilt.
I imagine them opening a chain of restaurants - starting small - using Nikki's home style recipes and Margene's natural sales abilities. They start out with little bake sales to raise money for their church and the sales are so good and word of mouth gets out. Marge starts an on-line dessert boutique and they can barely keep up with orders.
Through the food profits they amass enough to open a little coffee shop next to their church and before you know it, they are in Lee's office getting ready to Franchise their restaurants. Herickson-Embry Honeypot Desserts.
People start a write in campaign to QVC to see if that cute little polygamist will be selling Honeypot desserts... Soon Margene is back on TV and the Henrickson-Embry clan is on a roll! After a while Shady Lane is renamed Henrickson-Embry Square.
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Post by paleskinbeauty on Mar 22, 2011 19:43:06 GMT -5
Actually, I think Carl killing Bill was perfect. If Alby or any of hte others had done it, it would seem cliche and 'easy'. Honestly, I never expected the ending the way it did. I looked at the clock just before it happened and wondered how the heck they were gonna finish it. My husband was watching with me and near the end he said, "there is just not enough time left to bring this to resolution." A few minutes later he said, "Sorry honey, my mistake."haha I know, right.
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Post by ladyfriend on Mar 22, 2011 20:08:25 GMT -5
This is really random, but I was thinking about the symbolism of the fact that there were 3 shots that killed Bill. Three wives. All of the inherent religious significance. Maybe I'm just reading too much in, but a thought...
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