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Post by miceelf on Mar 20, 2011 22:19:26 GMT -5
Definitely Emma Smith...the same one from his dream. And I just re-watched the ending -- Ben and Heather absolutely have wedding rings on, and they made sure to show that very clearly on camera. But I missed it the first time, too...guess with everything else going on, I wasn't watching for that clue.
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Post by birdie16 on Mar 20, 2011 22:19:43 GMT -5
Emma Smith...the same actress that played Emma Smith in his dream. Emma Smith warned him.
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Post by miceelf on Mar 20, 2011 22:23:11 GMT -5
Ben shouldn't be without a job -- he should be in the Navy, home on leave. But he didn't appear to have a military haircut. Maybe he never signed all the final papers?
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 20, 2011 22:28:51 GMT -5
Ben shouldn't be without a job -- he should be in the Navy, home on leave. But he didn't appear to have a military haircut. Maybe he never signed all the final papers? No he didn't appear military at all. I'm not sure that dedication of your nephew is reason to get leave. He was supposed to leave in four months which would have been August and the end scene would have been March of next year. I don't know how you rebuild a relationship, do basic and school, get married, and be home on leave.
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Post by withay on Mar 20, 2011 22:29:01 GMT -5
Ben shouldn't be without a job -- he should be in the Navy, home on leave. But he didn't appear to have a military haircut. Maybe he never signed all the final papers? Plus with Bill being killed before HomePlus actually went under, there probably was mega insurance and I think Bill had referred to trust funds he had set up for the kids. Financially, Bill dying was good for the family, given how things were headed.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 20, 2011 22:30:03 GMT -5
Ben shouldn't be without a job -- he should be in the Navy, home on leave. But he didn't appear to have a military haircut. Maybe he never signed all the final papers? Plus with Bill being killed before HomePlus actually went under, there probably was mega insurance and I think Bill had referred to trust funds he had set up for the kids. Financially, Bill dying was good for the family, given how things were headed. Oh I hadn't thought about that! Home Plus could be safe and sound and Ben could be running with Don.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 20, 2011 22:33:16 GMT -5
I'm still going through the different emotions of the grieving process -
I'm ANGRY at Margene because EVERYTHING is HER FAULT - if Margene wouldn't have lied about her age Bill wouldn't have been facing Rape Charges the only thing he wouldn't plead guilty to - and IF MARGENE WOULDN'T HAVE BEFRIENDED PAM CARL WOULDN'T HAVE SHOT BILL. Margene's family told her from the very beginning to stay away from Pam: BUT MARGENE INSISTED TO BEFRIEND PAM - Margene lied to Pam about being a widow due to her husband being killed in the gulf war; then lied that she was a surrogate mother - THEN Margene gets Pam wrapped up in GOJI with no regard to Pam's home situation - MARGENE WAS WARNED Barb told Margene that she (Margene) was interfering in a marriage (Pam & Carl's) & Pam told Margene how horrible her relationship was when Margene told Pam that she was pulling out of GOJI.
SO - I'M ANGRY AT MARGENE! I'm also angry at Margene that she is leaving her children behind to be Margene Without Borders -- I don't think that is really growing up.
I think it's cute that Margene cut her hair short similar to Lois cutting her hair short after Lois' daughter died. I think it's cute that Margene is meeting new people, seeing the world - a world that according to Margene GOJI introduced her to - this makes me angry too REALLY MARGENE GOJI INTRODUCED YOU TO THE WORLD, HOW ABOUT GIVING HER FAMILY THE CREDIT FOR ALWAYS SUPPORTING HER.
But, right now, I don't think Margene going on 3 month missions is growing up - growing up is accepting your life & Margene's priority should be her 3 children. Yes, Margene was too young to be married & become a mother - but these are the choices she made. I think Margene's three young children could give a flying flip about their mother seeing the world & sharing herself with new people - I think Margene's three young children would want their mother along with stability especially after the murder of their father.
My feelings about Margene will probably change - but right now - NICKI IS THE SMARTEST WIFE - Nicki didn't vote for Margene to become a wife because Nicki didn't think she was ready for the type of responsibility living The Principle takes - NICKI WAS RIGHT!
I feel as though Barb will never marry again - I think Barb may have a close companion maybe even more than one - but I don't think Barb will marry again. I think that Nicki will marry again & have more children. I don't think Margene will have anymore children. I don't think Barb, Nicki, or Margene will ever live The Principle again.
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Post by nychic on Mar 20, 2011 23:02:39 GMT -5
I'm still going through the different emotions of the grieving process - I'm ANGRY at Margene because EVERYTHING is HER FAULT - if Margene wouldn't have lied about her age Bill wouldn't have been facing Rape Charges the only thing he wouldn't plead guilty to - and IF MARGENE WOULDN'T HAVE BEFRIENDED PAM CARL WOULDN'T HAVE SHOT BILL. Margene's family told her from the very beginning to stay away from Pam: BUT MARGENE INSISTED TO BEFRIEND PAM - Margene lied to Pam about being a widow due to her husband being killed in the gulf war; then lied that she was a surrogate mother - THEN Margene gets Pam wrapped up in GOJI with no regard to Pam's home situation - MARGENE WAS WARNED Barb told Margene that she (Margene) was interfering in a marriage (Pam & Carl's) & Pam told Margene how horrible her relationship was when Margene told Pam that she was pulling out of GOJI. SO - I'M ANGRY AT MARGENE! I'm also angry at Margene that she is leaving her children behind to be Margene Without Borders -- I don't think that is really growing up. IMO: I don't think it was Margie's fault. It's not Margie's fault that Carl was so ashamed that he wasn't the "strong man" he was supposed to be as a husband... He was out of work, broke, he and his wife couldn't have children, and their relationship was going down. He was at a dead end in his life and couldn't live up to the standards a man is supposed to live up to. He went crazy. That wasn't Margene's fault... The rest of the stuff that you mentioned about Margene's history with Pam & Carl are very trivial; and i feel that they have little to nothing to do with what made Carl snap. From my point of view, he may have been a bit envious of Bill and his image as a strong family man.. Does everything himself.... including Sodding grass. Carl felt inadequate. period. You can't blame Carl's inner-demons on Margie. And as for your issues with Margene going off to be "Margene without borders".... I won't even go there.
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Post by corajack on Mar 20, 2011 23:16:56 GMT -5
Do you guys know who the woman was in Bill's flashback to the past while he was addressing his church group? She sort of smiled in approval just before the kid's coughing brought Bill back to the present. That was Emma Smith. Please forgive me but I don't think it was Emma Smith. I think it was a young Lois as another poster speculated. She looked WAY too much like Lois to me than Emma IMHO. I think he was looking back on his mother's life and didn't want his family to go in that same direction that banished him and ended up with him banishing Ben once. I think really in the END Bill really did not think the polygamy could work being "legal" as he proposed. There are just too many ways that people could (like Juniper Creek) make it into a baby factory with young women. If he did get it "legalized".....how would anyone in any state ever be able to make sure young girls were not victimized? It really would be impossible.
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Post by miceelf on Mar 20, 2011 23:29:33 GMT -5
Please forgive me but I don't think it was Emma Smith. I think it was a young Lois as another poster speculated. She looked WAY too much like Lois to me than Emma IMHO. I think he was looking back on his mother's life and didn't want his family to go in that same direction that banished him and ended up with him banishing Ben once. I think really in the END Bill really did not think the polygamy could work being "legal" as he proposed. There are just too many ways that people could (like Juniper Creek) make it into a baby factory with young women. If he did get it "legalized".....how would anyone in any state ever be able to make sure young girls were not victimized? It really would be impossible. In Bill's dream sequence, I think both his mother as a younger woman and Emma Smith were in the dream. And if you look at the full cast and crew for the finale, it lists that actress Rebecca Wisocky plays....Emma Smith. www.imdb.com/title/tt1638387/fullcredits#castIt was very significant that Emma Smith, the wife of the prophet Joseph Smith, appeared in Bill's vision in the church, letting Bill know it was okay to ask for Barb's blessing when he was dying.
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Post by nychic on Mar 20, 2011 23:35:24 GMT -5
Please forgive me but I don't think it was Emma Smith. I think it was a young Lois as another poster speculated. She looked WAY too much like Lois to me than Emma IMHO. I think he was looking back on his mother's life and didn't want his family to go in that same direction that banished him and ended up with him banishing Ben once. I think really in the END Bill really did not think the polygamy could work being "legal" as he proposed. There are just too many ways that people could (like Juniper Creek) make it into a baby factory with young women. If he did get it "legalized".....how would anyone in any state ever be able to make sure young girls were not victimized? It really would be impossible. It really was Emma smith corajack.... If you remember, the episode where Bill has the dream of Emma Smith warning him, a younger lois is also in that dream. The woman in his church during the finale was Emma; not a young Lois.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 20, 2011 23:36:52 GMT -5
Please forgive me but I don't think it was Emma Smith. I think it was a young Lois as another poster speculated. She looked WAY too much like Lois to me than Emma IMHO. I think he was looking back on his mother's life and didn't want his family to go in that same direction that banished him and ended up with him banishing Ben once. I think really in the END Bill really did not think the polygamy could work being "legal" as he proposed. There are just too many ways that people could (like Juniper Creek) make it into a baby factory with young women. If he did get it "legalized".....how would anyone in any state ever be able to make sure young girls were not victimized? It really would be impossible. I think had Bill's vision of polygamy had became legal young girls would be protected. The law of age would remain. If someone was forced it would still be rape.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 20, 2011 23:45:46 GMT -5
I think that in Bill's mind there was a connection between Emma Smith & Lois - in Bill's dream he sees both Emma & Lois. In Bill's vision at the church - I think it was Emma Smith standing there. However, I do think that there is a connection between these two females for Bill.
I'm certain that I will get past my anger towards Margene - she was only 16 when she was sealed to Bill, Barb & Nicki. At the time Margene befriended Pam Margene was lonely - Margene couldn't understand how being friends with Pam could hurt the family & resisted her family's warnings of being friends with Pam.
If Barb was involved with GOJI & was Pam's friend, I don't think Barb would have let her involvement with Pam become the source of Carl's displacement of rage towards Bill. Margene told Pam that she left GOJI because her family needed her - Pam told Margene that her & Carl were separating, Carl lost his job, they didn't even have the money to Tithe. Barb - I think in the same situation as Margene would have known to diffuse the situation. Barb had already told Margene to be careful after Carl came to Barb telling Barb to get Margene away from Pam. Barb - because she has more life wisdom under her belt than Margene partly due to the fact that she is at least two decades older than Margene (just partly because I think that Sarah showed more maturity than Margene - I adore the character of Margene) - Barb would have acted in such a way that altered the course of events ending in Carl gunning Bill down. I think Margene has a big heart, is kind, & doesn't have a malicious bone in her body - I think that Margene's lack of wisdom made it possible for her not to see how delicate life is - how all of our actions do have consequences.
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Post by duets on Mar 20, 2011 23:46:43 GMT -5
Definitely Emma Smith...the same one from his dream. And I just re-watched the ending -- Ben and Heather absolutely have wedding rings on, and they made sure to show that very clearly on camera. But I missed it the first time, too...guess with everything else going on, I wasn't watching for that clue. I'm with ya, my vote is that it was Emma Smith. I need to watch it again for a 3rd time tomorrow to look for the wedding rings on Ben & Heather.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 20, 2011 23:51:05 GMT -5
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