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Post by bigluvjunkie on Mar 11, 2011 13:27:13 GMT -5
We know very little about Mr. Ivey so its hard to tell how this is going to turn out. If either Ivey or Cara Lynn didn't think they were doing something wrong...then they should have come clean to Bill by now....
Coming from someone who doesn't have a child...I have no idea how I'd handle it if I were Nicki. If she gets the state involved that might be traumatic to Cara Lynn (and embarrassing to the family perhaps) but on the other hand calling the police is the only sure way to be rid of Mr Ivey. Nicki made the very reasonable request that Ivey leave town, but if the preview is any indication Ivey didn't do this.
I'm not happy with the preview I saw about sending Cara Lynn to some sort of horrific academy (as opposed to simply telling Bill and Barb and letting them resolve this). Once again Nicki is too scared and damaged to trust other people to help her and once again Nicki's behavior will have negative consequences for Cara Lynn. Surely sending CL to this school will alarm Greg Ivey and encourage the 2 of them to run off together.
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Post by paleskinbeauty on Mar 14, 2011 0:38:46 GMT -5
I actually do not get the "creep" vibe from Mr Ivey. To me, their relationship seems sweet. I dunno. I feel like it is sincere.
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Post by DEB on Mar 14, 2011 9:57:12 GMT -5
I never thought he was a repeat predator either, but still he should not have acted upon his impluses with this child. She is not old enough to make those kinds of decisions no matter how you slice it. It's illegal, she's too young, it's immoral, etc.
Anyway, was Nicki making up what she said about Mr. Ivey when she was talking to Cara Lynn in her bedroom? I couldn't tell.
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Post by writerwannabe on Mar 14, 2011 10:01:58 GMT -5
I never thought he was a repeat predator either, but still he should not have acted upon his impluses with this child. She is not old enough to make those kinds of decisions no matter how you slice it. It's illegal, she's too young, it's immoral, etc. Anyway, was Nicki making up what she said about Mr. Ivey when she was talking to Cara Lynn in her bedroom? I couldn't tell. I think we have to assume everything Nikki says is a lie until proven otherwise. I question if she and Bill have even talked to him or the school. I don't think Bill would have made a hasty move without time to think it out. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.
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Post by duets on Mar 14, 2011 10:53:52 GMT -5
I never thought he was a repeat predator either, but still he should not have acted upon his impluses with this child. She is not old enough to make those kinds of decisions no matter how you slice it. It's illegal, she's too young, it's immoral, etc. Anyway, was Nicki making up what she said about Mr. Ivey when she was talking to Cara Lynn in her bedroom? I couldn't tell. I think we have to assume everything Nikki says is a lie until proven otherwise. I question if she and Bill have even talked to him or the school. I don't think Bill would have made a hasty move without time to think it out. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. Maybe, but I suspect it was another one of Nickie's stories. Bill was UNaware that she was trying to ship CL out of there; until CL came running into the kitchen. If one trick didn't work for her; then she has to come up w/plan B.
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Post by liz3564 on Mar 14, 2011 10:59:32 GMT -5
In a couple of episodes ago, Heather mentioned that she knew Mr. Ivy, and then gave a knowing smile. It was almost like she may have had a similar experience as Cara Lynn, and then there was no more said. I wonder if it will come out that he is, indeed, a predator.
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Post by southernsong on Mar 14, 2011 11:42:13 GMT -5
I saw that scene a bit differently. He was at the mall with his parents and Cara Lynn called out to him which she was sitting at a table with Gary, Ben, and Heather. Heather said hi to him and he said hi back, but all of his attention was on Cara Lynn. I thought that the scene was more there to show how he was into Cara Lynn and that he saw her differently than he saw his other students.
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Post by limeade on Mar 14, 2011 12:32:36 GMT -5
The plotline with Mr. Ivey confuses me, especially in light of the most recent episode (Exorcism) and if I am to believe Nicki (which I don't).
I do agree that CL is too young, the age gap too wide, and we are not shown enough about Mr. Ivey to actually know who he is and what he's about. It's rushed and, therefore, confusing for me (to judge anything). I also don't recall how old Mr. Ivey is either...
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Post by duets on Mar 14, 2011 12:49:34 GMT -5
I also don't recall how old Mr. Ivey is either... Mr. Ivey told CL he is 37y/o.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 14, 2011 22:21:30 GMT -5
I think Nikki's story was a load of BS. I still don't get the creep vibe from Ivey and I can't buy that he'd go from worrying about her to being glad to get rid of her that quickly.
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Post by duets on Mar 14, 2011 22:50:41 GMT -5
I think Nikki's story was a load of BS. I still don't get the creep vibe from Ivey and I can't buy that he'd go from worrying about her to being glad to get rid of her that quickly. I agree. I think it was another one of Nickie's fabricated tales that seems to have worked during the moment for which it was intended.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 15, 2011 3:41:11 GMT -5
I honestly will be pissed if they don't show Mr. Ivy reprimanded in some way, even for a mere 10 seconds of watching him be led away in handcuffs...
Did anyone else notice that when he was on the phone with CL, that some girl walked into the classroom and he said he had to go?
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Post by southernsong on Mar 15, 2011 8:25:59 GMT -5
I think he said that fifth period was starting.
I don't know how he would be lead away. The only people who know what happened were Cara Lynn and Greg. We all know that Cara Lynn can and will lie about it, if pushed in court. Since it has been so long since they have been together, there is no evidence in Cara Lynn. She never admitted to anyone that they slept together and can easily tell Margene that when she said it was his first time, too, she meant to be in a relationship. They can date all they want - that is not illegal. They just can't sleep together. And I really think it will be hard to prove they did.
Mind you, I am talking about in TV land, not in the real world.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 15, 2011 17:55:21 GMT -5
Cara Lynn could lie her way out of it so easily.
Were you at his house alone? Yes, one of my mothers would take me over there all the time for tutoring. They never did stay.
When you told Margene it was Mr. Ivey's first time too what did you mean? I meant that it was the first time he thought about a relationship with a student. He wouldn't do anything because I was not of age but we had talked about getting married as soon as I turned 16. He disapproved of my family's lifestyle and wanted to rescue me from that situation.
So you had a relationship with Mr. Ivy? I just said that he wouldn't be in a relationship with me until I was old enough.
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Post by miceelf on Mar 16, 2011 23:08:06 GMT -5
I agree with both rissmeek and southernsong -- CL could have lied her way out of this one. Especially in a state where marriage is legal at 16 with parental consent, or 15 with special consent of the court. But with all of the publicity surrounding Bill and the statutory rape charges, and it being public record that CL grew up on a compound, I don't think the cops would let it go easily. It would become part of the big case to bring down Bill. I think it's interesting to see the split opinion on what happened between CL and her teacher. Some think Greg Ivey is a predator, a child molester, that he was not a virgin and had seduced students before, possibly even Heather. Others think that the relationship between Greg and CL is sweet and is true love, and that she really was his first. Could he be that sheltered and chaste as a 37 year old male? Possibly, if he was a super-devout Mormon. Chastity is one of the requirements for temple worthiness -- don't think he'll keep his temple recommend after this! I think they really do love each other. Yes, she is way too young for him, and no, he should not have slept with her -- he was the adult, and it was his responsibility to maintain the distance. If he had avoided premarital sex, and asked for her hand in marriage, it would have been perfectly legal. With all the drama going on, I don't think the Henrickson's would have agreed, but if all was peaceful and secretive like at the very beginning of the show...they might have given permission. For CL, a 15/16 year old girl marrying a much older man is not unusual at all. And she is not being forced to be with him -- she truly communicates with him and enjoys his company. Considering how things could have ended up for her -- if that sealing last season had gone through and she hadn't been rescued -- the situation with Greg is really ideal. 50 years ago, this age difference wouldn't have been a big deal. Or if this was 2 1/2 years later and CL was 18, people would roll their eyes and say he's too old for her, but it wouldn't be criminal. Just another thought...I wonder why there isn't the same kind of anger aimed at Bill for being a predator and child molester? Margie was almost exactly the same age as CL when she married Bill, she could easily have been 15 when they started seeing each other. Is it because Margie lied and Bill thought she was 18? She was still clearly too young for him, and even Barb said she thinks she might have suspected Margie was younger than she claimed.
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