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Post by chloe15 on Mar 9, 2011 9:39:25 GMT -5
HBO just posted 3 new teasers for "Exorcism". They are awesome... especially the one titled "Prisoners of Love" (you go Barb!). When you access the website, select "videos" from the bar on the top of the page. Then double click on "Series" from the "Filter by" list on the left and select "Big Love". There are 120 videos and you may not have seen some of them as they are not always posted on spoiler sites. HBO usually posts a synopsis, "Inside the Episode" and "Margene's Blog" at around 9:00 a.m. EST the morning after an episode. The teasers are usually posted on the Wednesday after an episode at the same time. And in case you didn't know, there will be a 1/2 hour special titled "End of Days" that will be shown at 8:30 p.m. EST on March 13. Yes, I am obsessed and cannot believe this is the final season
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 9, 2011 11:00:56 GMT -5
Chloe15, Is there any way you can put the address where these videos are - I can't figure out how to find them by starting at the HBO website - you gave GREAT instructions so it's me not you. If it's possible that you could go to the HBO site and get it to where these videos are then copy & paste the address for me I would greatly appreciate it!
I commend you for being able to navigate the HBO site!
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Post by jules on Mar 9, 2011 11:23:24 GMT -5
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 9, 2011 11:32:13 GMT -5
Thanks Jules, I watched them! I like how Barb says "that's easy for you to say Nicki." I'm sure Nicki already knew what her rights would be now that she is legal wife & was just trying to make Barb look bad in front of Bill - so I'm called Barb "called" Nicki out!
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Post by chloe15 on Mar 9, 2011 19:18:40 GMT -5
Jules -- thanks so much for posting the links to the teasers and glad you are all enjoying them . Just loved how Barb stuck it to Bill re: the conjugal visits as I think Nicki is his least favorite bed partner. And poor Margene looked like she was going to cry. Do any of you read the episode recaps and reviews? My 2 favorites are: themothchase.wordpress.com and www.thecriticalcondition.com
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Post by jules on Mar 9, 2011 20:34:12 GMT -5
Jules -- thanks so much for posting the links to the teasers and glad you are all enjoying them . Just loved how Barb stuck it to Bill re: the conjugal visits as I think Nicki is his least favorite bed partner. And poor Margene looked like she was going to cry. Do any of you read the episode recaps and reviews? My 2 favorites are: themothchase.wordpress.com and www.thecriticalcondition.comHi Chloe: Thank you for posting these articles. I have checked out the critical condition, but I am new to the moth chase. I just read that and it was great!!!!! Definitely worth bookmarking.l
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 18, 2011 14:30:29 GMT -5
I think the essence of The Finale will be with Bill's unexpected vision. The final show down between Bill & Alby has taken place - now the only thing left is for Bill to confront his most deeply held beliefs. I'm hoping that Bill will see in his vision that Barb has always held the priesthood & becomes encouraging towards Barb.
I don't know how it will end - but I am really looking forward to Sunday!
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Post by LD no S on Mar 18, 2011 15:17:46 GMT -5
on Feb 16, albertaleon wrote: "Could Bill's unexpected vision be that Polygamy is wrong. I think we all could make valid arguments of how Polygamy has harmed the lives of Barb, Nicki, and Margene - not to mention Sarah and Teenie. "
to me, it doesn't seem like the POLYGAMY itself is what has harmed them ... yes, it has kept them from some things they wanted (Barb's mother of the year award comes to mind), but to me, it seems like their problems stem more from who they have to deal with, Roman, Alby, Frank, etc ... their polygamous marriage might be downright boring without all that other stuff ...
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 18, 2011 16:11:33 GMT -5
on Feb 16, albertaleon wrote: "Could Bill's unexpected vision be that Polygamy is wrong. I think we all could make valid arguments of how Polygamy has harmed the lives of Barb, Nicki, and Margene - not to mention Sarah and Teenie. " to me, it doesn't seem like the POLYGAMY itself is what has harmed them ... yes, it has kept them from some things they wanted (Barb's mother of the year award comes to mind), but to me, it seems like their problems stem more from who they have to deal with, Roman, Alby, Frank, etc ... their polygamous marriage might be downright boring without all that other stuff ... If you took Nikki out of the mix they would have had a boring relationship. Prior to Marge reveling her true age there wasn't anything shocking in their relationship. Barb and Bill's kids had sex before marriage but that's not shocking. Their daughter suffered a miscarriage sad but not shocking.
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Post by LD no S on Mar 18, 2011 16:21:43 GMT -5
on Feb 16, albertaleon wrote: "Could Bill's unexpected vision be that Polygamy is wrong. I think we all could make valid arguments of how Polygamy has harmed the lives of Barb, Nicki, and Margene - not to mention Sarah and Teenie. " to me, it doesn't seem like the POLYGAMY itself is what has harmed them ... yes, it has kept them from some things they wanted (Barb's mother of the year award comes to mind), but to me, it seems like their problems stem more from who they have to deal with, Roman, Alby, Frank, etc ... their polygamous marriage might be downright boring without all that other stuff ... If you took Nikki out of the mix they would have had a boring relationship. Prior to Marge reveling her true age there wasn't anything shocking in their relationship. Barb and Bill's kids had sex before marriage but that's not shocking. Their daughter suffered a miscarriage sad but not shocking. true, all that ... but even a lot of the Nicki stuff is downright typical ... her shopping habit and mounting debt, for example ... it's Nicki's "compund family" that's trouble ...
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Post by kathy36610 on Mar 18, 2011 16:26:55 GMT -5
I hated the divorce story line too. I remember back in an earlier season, Barb told Bill "I am THE WIFE, or nothing" and he agreed to it. Then he turned around and stupidly gave away the one thing Barb wanted to hold on too. In my opinion by trying too hard to hold on to Bill, she lost him and honestly he lost himself. Sometime we need to just say no.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 18, 2011 16:27:19 GMT -5
If you took Nikki out of the mix they would have had a boring relationship. Prior to Marge reveling her true age there wasn't anything shocking in their relationship. Barb and Bill's kids had sex before marriage but that's not shocking. Their daughter suffered a miscarriage sad but not shocking. true, all that ... but even a lot of the Nicki stuff is downright typical ... her shopping habit and mounting debt, for example ... it's Nicki's "compund family" that's trouble ... Oh yeah but without Nikki you have no connection to the compound. It doesn't seem like Bill & Barb had much to do with his family.
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Post by LD no S on Mar 18, 2011 16:33:16 GMT -5
true, all that ... but even a lot of the Nicki stuff is downright typical ... her shopping habit and mounting debt, for example ... it's Nicki's "compund family" that's trouble ... Oh yeah but without Nikki you have no connection to the compound. It doesn't seem like Bill & Barb had much to do with his family. that's what i mean ... it's Roman, Alby, and the compound that are trouble for this family .... it's not really the "polygamy" ... if Bill's other wife had been someone other than Nicki, there wouldn't be a whole lot of drama, and thus, no show
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Post by kathy36610 on Mar 18, 2011 17:15:50 GMT -5
I don't think Barb and Bill had a boring relationship. They always had passion or so it seemed. She was pursuing her education and she was his better half. In the season where they had the affair, he was so proud of the way she made him shine when they were out in public schmoozing. If he hadn't lived the principle he wouldn't have had to turn down the business opportunity of joining that businessman's group. Bill has always been ambitious and he threw away a lot of chances to do well for himself and his business and family because of the screwed up principle.
Margene and her excess baggage, underage, naivete, not knowing how to explain a single mom on the street who was constantly pregnant with no husband, Nikki with her mental issues and horrible in-laws. I would take quiet, peaceful, prosperous suburban life rather than the principle.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 18, 2011 17:18:45 GMT -5
Bill's most deeply held beliefs would be about Religion & Faith. Bill has stated that he was given a testimony to follow The Principle of Plural Marriage and then to Walk Into The Light. It would be shocking for Bill to have a realization that The Principle of Plural Marriage is wrong or not needed in this day & age - Bill has always defended his beliefs & is where he is now because of his testimony to bring Polygamy into The Light.
I think we could argue how Polygamy has both hurt The Henricksons & helped The Henricksons - either view point could be valid depending on how you looked at the situation.
Nicki is a product of growing up on the compound, being put in the Joy Book, being sealed at a young age & having JJ's child - Nicki started to devout her life to saving women from Juniper Creek. I don't think Nicki would have become so invested in Safety Net if she wasn't acting from her own experiences & negative feelings about Juniper Creek. It seemed like Nicki wanted to get as many women away from Juniper Creek as she could - even the one she rescued who wanted to go back home - Nicki still wanted to rescue her. I'm sure Nicki is doing this because she wishes that someone would have rescued her before she was sealed to JJ - I think Nicki feels as though her past has made her unable to love or receive love & Nicki sees this in CL too. Nicki said that Heavenly Father took His Love away from them - I think Nicki meant that God was no part of anything that happened at Juniper Creek including the Polygamous Marriages. I think Nicki was saying that if God was a part at what happened at Juniper Creek then good things would emerge from there - & Nicki has not been able to find anything good that is a product of Juniper Creek: not herself & not CL.
Margene was 16 when she was sealed to Bill - Margene was so young. I could see Margene feeling anger towards Bill for allowing himself to become involved with her. However, Margene's tearful request to Bill to allow her to get pregnant & stating that she doesn't feel trapped any longer does indicate that Margene is at peace with the fact that she was 16 when she was sealed to Bill. Bill's unexpected revelation could show that Bill isn't at peace with the fact that Margene was 16 - Bill may see how the institution of Polygamy could by it's nature cause underage marriages / sealings. I think Bill in an unexpected revelation see how it's possible that men are human, sinners and flawed and therefore it would be easy to use The Principle as an excuse to satisfy sexual needs of lust. Bill did say that if he would have known that Margene was 16 nothing would have happened - Greg Ivy on the other hand knew of CL's age & still had sex with her. I believe that Bill would have stopped himself if Margene would have told him "I'm 16." I think it would be easy for Bill to question himself & his motivation to be sealed to Margene.
Ben is thinking of himself as a Polygamous - I think it's great that this was revealed before Heather married Ben. It makes me wonder if Bill always hide The Principle of Plural Marriage in the back of his mind when marrying Barb. Ben wouldn't think of having multiple wives if it wasn't for his parents' decision to enter into a plural marriage.
Sarah has isolated herself from her family & Teeny was sent off to live with her sister to escape the consequences of her parents' actions. I don't know how Barb feels about this - but I don't think any mother would want to create an environment that her children couldn't live in. Barb & Bill have created a living environment that Sarah wants nothing to do with & one child has to flee from. I don't think any parent could feel good about this.
The only unexpected revelation I think Bill could have would be a total change in his religious beliefs. It could be as small as seeing that Barb should have the priesthood or as big as leading his family into The Principle of Plural Marriage was wrong.
In the end, I would like to see Bill & Barb together & strong. I don't know how it could be resolved in one more show that Nicki & Margene are no longer a part of the marriage. I would like to see The Henricksons together & where we know that their lives are fulfilled & happy. I don't want to see Barb killed because I can't see Bill's future as fulfilled & happy with Barb dead - plus I think Barb's death would be too much for Ben, Sarah & especially Teeny to overcome. I think the spoilers for Season Five did specify a funeral - so we can be certain that someone dies. I think the death will be one of Bill's parents - perhaps the death of either Frank or Lois will cause Bill to have an unexpected revelation.
With or without Nicki, I think Bill would have always had ties with Juniper Creek. Roman was always fearful of Bill's potential - Alby had no problem carrying on his father's fear of Bill. Bill had a brother & two parents living on Juniper Creek. I think regardless of Nicki - Bill always had a vision of tearing down the walls of Juniper Creek. I think Bill from the time he was a little boy - and what probably caused him to kicked out of Juniper Creek was his inner motivation to tear down JC. Roman probably knew Bill had it in him - Roman being the smart man he was gave Bill every obstacle he could to prevent Bill from succeeding - Nicki being one of these obstacles. I don't believe Adaleen when she said to Nicki "when you wanted to marry Bill against your father's deepest wishes..." I think that was Adaleen lying to Nicki in an attempt to manipulate Nicki's thoughts & actions. I think Roman wanted Nicki to marry Bill for selfish reasons - I think Roman knew that Nicki would be difficult, cause strife, & distract Bill from succeeding. Nicki makes Bill's interactions with JC more interesting but if it weren't for Nicki I'm sure Bill would still have had dealings with Roman, Alby, & JC - because changing JC is what Bill was born to do & everyone saw this in him - it scared Roman & made Bill Roman's worthy adversary. Bill could have chosen a different path - he could have had one wife Barb & an legit political career - but in the end I think Bill would have still had the final showdown with Alby & have torn down the walls to JC.
I really wish Sunday wasn't the last episode. I hope there are lots of people on this board who will want to rewatch Big Love from the beginning & discuss the show some more. I enjoy the posters on this board so much - I don't want to lose this conversation & Big Love at once!
I'm really looking forward to Sunday! I really hope that the finale will be as satisfying as promised. I just don't want it to end weird - for instance everyone at the dinner table with everything resolved then Roman walks up to the table sits down & someone passes him the mashed potatoes - an ending like that would be weird.
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