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Post by cherylr6 on Mar 8, 2011 13:35:11 GMT -5
@ cherylr6: :)Nikki should have gone to the authorities because it is the "right" thing to do. She surely would lose her children if it was found out that she had this information and didn't do anything about it. Also, she is such a hypocrite. She is trying to "save" Compound women with "Safety net," but she stands back and doesn't go to the authorities. There could be other girls out there that Mr. Ivey is violating. Sorry, but for me, no matter the consequences, she should have him turned in, pronto! I will absolutely stipulate that Nicki is a hypocrite. No question. That is her defining charactersitic. No one else is looking out for her best interests or the best interests of her kids right now. She nailed that one.
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Post by Jules on Mar 8, 2011 13:38:39 GMT -5
I sure hope the writers give us the scene wherein Bill hears of the CL and the teacher happenings.......will he realize he dumped his devoted wife Barb, and then after she performed a beautiful wedding ceremony for him and Nicki, in which she brilliantly reaffirmed her belief in the family cause, he humiliated Barb with the resealing (super glue?) without her even being warned ........and all the rest and he did it all for nothing but more grief to those he loves. I hope they show us that one......But knowing how the Bill character is reacting or failing to react these days, anythings possible.... @ Betheaz: I hope so too!!!! Very well put!!!
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Post by firstwife on Mar 8, 2011 13:40:59 GMT -5
Just to add another wrinkle as to why Nicki didn't go straight to the authorities:
Bill is under investigation for the exact same thing. If she goes to the authorities, she will, in essence, be handing them even more evidence against him. Now, not only does Barb participate in procurring, but she is guilty of providing her daughter for the same thing- all under the watchful eye and guidance of Bill.
*Not saying that's what actually happened, but I could sure see the police having a heyday with the new information.
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Post by roughwood on Mar 8, 2011 13:44:30 GMT -5
@ cherylr6: :)Nikki should have gone to the authorities because it is the "right" thing to do. She surely would lose her children if it was found out that she had this information and didn't do anything about it. This is what I'm thinking too. Why would CPS remove Cara Lynn and Nickie's other kids for reporting Ivey? Would someone who knows connect the dots here? She would be doing the lawful thing, so why would she be punished?
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 8, 2011 14:16:29 GMT -5
@ cherylr6: :)Nikki should have gone to the authorities because it is the "right" thing to do. She surely would lose her children if it was found out that she had this information and didn't do anything about it. This is what I'm thinking too. Why would CPS remove Cara Lynn and Nickie's other kids for reporting Ivey? Would someone who knows connect the dots here? She would be doing the lawful thing, so why would she be punished? I'm guessing it's because CL's new dad is under investigation for the same thing.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 8, 2011 14:23:11 GMT -5
I have to just add that Nikki makes me sick, sick, sick. She should be running to the authorities about Mr. Ivey. A good MOther wouldn't care what the consequences are for the Family. Give me a break! Mr. Ivey had sex with her 15 year old daughter. I would be at the police station with my daughter so fast that Mr. Ivey's head would be "spinning!" I'm just quoting this post in general, but I've noticed a similar sentiment throughout this entire thread. What I don't understand though, is why has no one else pointed out the fact that Margene, who claims to be a mother to Cara Lynn as well, didn't even tell Nicki about the affair when she found out, let alone call the cops? Instead, she was waiting to decide what would be best, and kept reminding Cara Lynn about what the family was going through. It seems to me, Margene, if anything, did even less to help Cara Lynn and was even more concerned about her own personal issues than Nicki. Even Ben did more than Margene did!
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Post by duets on Mar 8, 2011 14:38:16 GMT -5
@ cherylr6: :)Nikki should have gone to the authorities because it is the "right" thing to do. She surely would lose her children if it was found out that she had this information and didn't do anything about it. This is what I'm thinking too. Why would CPS remove Cara Lynn and Nickie's other kids for reporting Ivey? Would someone who knows connect the dots here? She would be doing the lawful thing, so why would she be punished? If, & that's a big if, Nicki went to the officials re: teacher/CL. The CPS would certainly look into the schedule @ home, as far as who is watching CL/kids. If everyone is running around doing errands, going to courthouses on behalf of Bill, staying w/Lois, etc & NO ONE is watching the children & CL; then yes they would remove them. Or, if investigation proves (reasonable cause) that the children aren't being supervised by an adult then this would warrant them to come in & (temporarily) take them until an investigation is complete. But then again, Nicki knew that Mr. Ivey was tutoring CL, he is an adult. The CPS would have to have reasonable cause in order to take the kiddos out of the picture. Just based upon Nicki reporting Ivey (alone), I doubt the kiddos would be removed. It appears that either Margene or Nicki are transporting CL to the study sessions w/Ivey, so she is w/an adult. One would not expect a teacher (of all people) to sexually abuse a student. Where it gets tricky I would think is that CL is the one going over to Ivey's house (more than once). Withay can better shed expert advise on this subject.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 8, 2011 15:33:22 GMT -5
Rissmeek, I mean Greg Ivy as a 37 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl should know that such a relationship is wrong - & if he is confronted by the parents of the 15 year old girl it's probable that he will be hit. Nicki was walking out of his apartment with CL & places his hand on Nicki's shoulder asking her to wait - I really think it was a knee jerk reaction of Nicki's when she turned around & started hitting him - I think Nicki started hitting Greg because she was already really frustrated at the situation & when she felt Greg touch her Nicki became physical with him. The way Nicki was hitting Greg in my opinion was a normal reaction of a parent being touched by the man who is having sex with their 15 year old daughter asking her to wait. I think Nicki would have stopped hitting Greg on her own & really wasn't hurting him - so I think Greg Ivy should have taken it out of respect for the Mother of the 15 year old girl he is having sex with. I hope this makes since, Rissmeek. I DON'T condone violence - but Nicki's behavior towards Greg Ivy didn't seem abusive to me. As a matter of fact, I don't think Nicki was even hurting Greg Ivy & I think Nicki would have stopped swatting at him on her own.
When Greg Ivy restrained Nicki, I didn't like it. I didn't feel as though Greg needed to restrain Nicki because Nicki he wasn't being hurt by Nicki -- since Greg knows he is having sex with a 15 year old girl I think Greg could have taken a few swats from Nicki without ever restraining her -- because Greg Ivy had to know that the parents of CL wouldn't be happy with his actions & their unhappiness with his actions would be justified. If Nicki would have started swatting at Gary (Don's Boy) because she thought Gary was taking too much time away from CL's studies I would be writing that Nicki was 100% wrong. Greg Ivy having sex with a 15 year old girl deserves a few swats.
As for Greg Ivy - I don't know what to make of him. He's supposedly a deeply religious person who hasn't had sex because he doesn't believe in sex outside of marriage -- then poof a 37 year old virgin starts having sex which is against his moral code - but not only does he start having sex he starts having sex with a 15 year old which should be against the moral code of every 37 year old man.
I'm not sure if CL lied about Greg Ivy being deeply religious & of the faith because she thought it would make her sexual relationship okay in the eyes of Margene - I don't know if CL said this Margene trying to get Margene to see herself & Bill in CL & Greg Ivy.
As far as Margene - She didn't sit back & do nothing. Margene was the one paying enough attention to CL that she was able to pick up on CL flirting with Greg Ivy at The Wedding of Bill & Nicki. Bill, Barb, Nicki & Margene are all going through a great deal - but Margene was still the one who picked up on CL's relationship with Greg. Bill didn't see it & he could have easily recognized the signs of a man wooing a pretty female - Barb didn't see it even though she must have seen Bill flirting with Margene -- Nicki didn't see it even though Nicki claims to know her daughter.
Margene didn't turn a blind eye - she followed CL to Greg's apartment. I think she wanted to know for sure before she even mentioned it to anyone. After Margene confirmed her suspicions & confronted Greg & told CL to get her coat & get into the car - Margene is told by Greg that CL said she would be the most sympathetic because she was 16 when she was sealed to Bill.
I think that Margene was confident about telling Greg that he has no business having sex with a 15 year old girl - UNTIL Greg says to Margene that she was right around the same age as CL when she became involved with Bill. I think these words confused Margene, shook her confidence, & made her unsure about herself. This is another reason that I don't like Greg Ivy.
I don't like Greg Ivy because I don't think he had to restrain Nicki - Greg's actions here were suggesting "I'm the powerful one here I can have sex with your daughter & I can subdue you." Saying to Margene that she was around CL's age when she started a relationship with Bill to me showed Greg Ivy AGAIN saying "I'm the powerful one & I will make you feel so bad about yourself so confused about what is true about yourself Margene you won't know what to do."
Greg Ivy is a 37 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl - he has no right to say anything to Margene about her age or try to make his actions okay using Margene's age as an excuse - It's VERY disrespectful & Margene's age has nothing to do with Greg's relationship with CL.
Greg Ivy's words to Margene I think made Margene second guess herself - then she had to take time to think of what to do - after all she was around CL age when she began her relationship with Bill so is it possible that CL's relationship with Greg is similar? When CL was sneaking off to Greg's house - Margene made CL tell Nicki.
I do wish Margene would have gone to Bill & told him - BUT I'm sure Margene was thinking that they had enough going on without having Bill being arrested for the deadly assault of Greg Ivy.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 8, 2011 15:46:15 GMT -5
Once again Albertaleon... I completely agree with everything you have said. You have covered it all!
I did not like how Greg Ivy got physical with Nikki and furthermore, I didn't like how Caralyn was looking at her mother as if her mother was the bad guy in the whole situation.
I just hope this all comes out in the open and that guy is fired. I hope the Henrickson's aren't so concerned with getting in trouble for their own drama that they allow Caralyn's situation to be swept under the rug the way so many families do in pedophile-like situations.
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Post by southernsong on Mar 8, 2011 15:50:23 GMT -5
I saw the scene a bit differently. Nicki was hurting Cara Lynn when she grabbed her outside of Margene's house. When they were leaving Greg's house, I thought that she was hurting Cara Lynn again. I thought that Greg was trying to stop her from hurting Cara Lynn. That was when Nicki turned and took out her anger and rage on Greg. I think that he restrained her in a way that was perfectly acceptable in those situations. I do not think he hurt her, but was trying to keep her from hurting him, Cara Lynn, or herself in her hysterical condition.
And again, I know I should be bothered by their relationship, but I just can't seem to get creeped out by him. I really feel that he is a genuine guy who cares deeply for Cara Lynn. What they did wasn't exactly the most moral and legal thing, but, as you said earlier, Albertaleon, I do not see him as anything even remotely resembling a predator.
And don't get me started on how frustrated I am with Margene. If she is going to dig her heals in on this whole statutory rape case, she can't turn around and yell at Greg and Cara Lynn. Then again, giving it more thought, I think that she is less concerned about Cara Lynn's well-being than she is about how it will make the family look if it gets out.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 8, 2011 15:55:01 GMT -5
I saw the scene a bit differently. Nicki was hurting Cara Lynn when she grabbed her outside of Margene's house. When they were leaving Greg's house, I thought that she was hurting Cara Lynn again. I thought that Greg was trying to stop her from hurting Cara Lynn. That was when Nicki turned and took out her anger and rage on Greg. I think that he restrained her in a way that was perfectly acceptable in those situations. I do not think he hurt her, but was trying to keep her from hurting him, Cara Lynn, or herself in her hysterical condition. And again, I know I should be bothered by their relationship, but I just can't seem to get creeped out by him. I really feel that he is a genuine guy who cares deeply for Cara Lynn. What they did wasn't exactly the most moral and legal thing, but, as you said earlier, Albertaleon, I do not see him as anything even remotely resembling a predator. And don't get me started on how frustrated I am with Margene. If she is going to dig her heals in on this whole statutory rape case, she can't turn around and yell at Greg and Cara Lynn. Then again, giving it more thought, I think that she is less concerned about Cara Lynn's well-being than she is about how it will make the family look if it gets out. Margene is definitely a hypocrite in this situation. Maybe she didn't realize just how screwed up Bill sleeping with her was until she saw this situation with CL and Mr. Ivy... I'm not sure.
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Post by firstwife on Mar 8, 2011 16:07:10 GMT -5
I don't think of Margene as a hypocrite. I think that until that particular moment, she truly had no idea of how her relationship would be viewed by the outside. CL's relationship with Gregg is bringing all that in to focus for her.
I remember being 16 and thinking that I knew everything. Even at 21, I still thought my parents were pretty dumb. It wasn't until I got older that I realized how much I didn't know. Margene is just starting to understand that no matter how she felt about Bill, she was in no position at 16 to make such a life altering decision.
As for the scene between Nicki and Gregg, I don't think he was trying to restrain her, nor do I think he was trying to subdue her. She went after him. I saw it as him trying to defend himself and defuse the situation.
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Post by justvisiting on Mar 8, 2011 16:13:41 GMT -5
I dont' know if anybody else thought this, but it seemed to me that Ivy's family may be FLDS. When he showed CL pictures of his family on his phone (just before Margene walked into the classroom) it looked like his niece was in prairie garb. What do you think?
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Post by duets on Mar 8, 2011 16:27:32 GMT -5
I dont' know if anybody else thought this, but it seemed to me that Ivy's family may be FLDS. When he showed CL pictures of his family on his phone (just before Margene walked into the classroom) it looked like his niece was in prairie garb. What do you think? Uh, I don't think so. His Mother didn't show up to the show in Prairie style garb. If anything, I would think they are LDS, since the majority of residents who live in Utah are.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 8, 2011 16:49:54 GMT -5
Southernsong, I really do see what you're saying. Nicki did grab & pull CL - CL did say "you're hurting me" but I don't know if CL was telling the truth or not. I don't know if CL was telling the truth about Greg when she said he was of the faith & this is his first time to Margene to make him sound better. I think it's a normal reaction of a parent to grab their 15 year daughter who is sneaking off the have sex with a 37 year old man.
Greg being a 37 year old man having the mother of the 15 year old girl he is having sex with confronting him - should just know better than to touch the mother & ask her to wait -- Greg didn't put his hand on Nicki's shoulder if a rough manner -- but he should know that in this situation you just don't touch the mother of the 15 year old girl you are having sex with. If Greg Ivy cares about CL then he shouldn't be having sex with her - if it's Greg's fear that CL's being will be in jeopardy of physical harm if she has sex then he shouldn't have sex with her.
Greg Ivy didn't say "I will move away when I know that CL is in the Math Camp & is enrolled at this school for the Gifted." Greg wasn't saying anything to motivate Nicki into seeing that CL would be in an environment where she would grow & learn. I think that Greg was too pompous when confronted by both Margene & Nicki about CL.
I don't think Greg had any right to bring up anything about Margene's past & basically hold it over her head - excuse his actions because of Margene's history. Margene's life is confusing - she is 21 in a plural marriage & has three biological children - life would be difficult for any 21 year old mother of three children - & Margene has a lot more going on in her life.
I don't know if Margene will be angry at herself as she starts to think about the choices she has made - then angry with Bill for allowing a sexual relationship to start. I don't know if Margene's truth is that she does love Bill & feels loved by Bill, Barb & Nicki - I just don't know.
Margene had her mom telling her about Priscilla Presley & to go for the gusto - CL had Nicki telling her that she was going to go to college & have a career - Margene even told CL to go to school & don't look back - when Margene was telling her this Margene was crying & distraught. Unlike CL, Margene didn't have anyone finding her gift of selling & cultivating it like CL has Nicki finding her gift of math & cultivating it with a tutor.
CL seems as though she would be better off going to college & having a life away from the compound because of where she is. Margene was in a different place when she met Bill - Margene had friends & social skills - other boyfriends - Margene lacked discipline, true love, & guidance - which I think she gained by becoming part of The Henricksons.
If Margene finds that she can't love Bill any longer because she feels betrayed by him - if she feels as though he should have stepped in & instead of having sex with her helped her. I would understand if Margene is sad & can't believe that Bill, Barb, & Nicki did this to her.
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