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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 3, 2011 20:13:53 GMT -5
I know there are some differences of opinion on the subject of whether or not Bill knew or did enough to find out her real age and everything...
But the law is the law and the LAW doesn't care if he knew or not!
This is going to come out and he will go to jail! Maybe this is all leading up to him hiding out on the compound and fighting over the prophet status with Alby?
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Post by withay on Feb 3, 2011 23:04:09 GMT -5
I know there are some differences of opinion on the subject of whether or not Bill knew or did enough to find out her real age and everything... But the law is the law and the LAW doesn't care if he knew or not! This is going to come out and he will go to jail! Maybe this is all leading up to him hiding out on the compound and fighting over the prophet status with Alby? Bill will not go to jail if the statute of limitations is up. I do think that this is what will bring down his political career. He will be threatened with being outed and he will resign.
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Post by firstwife on Feb 4, 2011 18:58:24 GMT -5
The show's creators said they didn't come up with this story line until this last planning session. No wonder it feels tacked on just for the 'shock' factor.
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Post by albertaleon on Feb 4, 2011 23:15:15 GMT -5
Bill didn't bring a 40 something female into the marriage, or a thirty something female into the marriage - Bill didn't bring a female in her late twenties into the marriage. Bill preaches about The Principle & when you are doing something that is so easily judged you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. Bill was attracted to Margene because of her youth & really should have known better than to enter a sexual relationship with Margene as Bill was the much older adult before getting to know Margene's heart, mind & soul. If Bill was interested in facilitating such spiritual relationships then Bill should have spent time with Margene before having sex with her - Bill should have known Margene would have done anything at 15 years old to get adopted, have a family and have a family before having sex with Margene.
When Bill informed Barb & Niki his intentions with Margene The Babysitter / Home Plus worker Barb should have said "come on she's a child." I have several neighbors with 15, 16, 17, & 18 year old daughters. Any man that would think it was okay to have a sexual relationship with them would be in the wrong.
I was mostly disappointed on how Margene was treated when she told how old she was when she met Bill. These are the people who claim to love each other, support each other & are creating an eternal life together - they should care more about Margene - Bill & Barb should have reached out to Margene & apologized that they allowed themselves to be blinded by The Principle, lust, envy - whatever it was that caused Bill & Barb not to have the common since to know Bill should not be having sex with an 18 year old girl -- Margene's family should be worried about her well being & should feel guilty that their way of life opened the door for Margene's innocence to be taken away.
I think deep down Bill & Barb knew Margene wasn't 18 but chose to overlook it. Regardless their is no way they didn't know Margene was way too young for Bill & Bill shouldn't have been having sex with such a young female.
Margene did lie but Margene wasn't living by The Principle - under the Guidance of Heavenly Father - The Book of Mormon -- Bill at the time of meeting Margene was supposed to be living by a higher standard. Bill had also embarked on a journey where he knew he had to be more accountable for his actions. Bill's dedication to The Principle, Heavenly Father - & Bill's Godly intentions meant that Bill had a responsibility to God & his family to make sure Margene was old enough to be sealed. Bill decided to live what he considers a God centered life & Bill decided to live a life that he was creating on both Earth & Heaven - because of Bill's choices he didn't have room for error or being taken over by lust towards a young girl - Bill was in a position of power & responsibility when it came to bringing wives into the marriage including Margene. Bill's choice of how to live his life meant there is no room for errors such as getting involved with underage girls.
It happened & Margene needs the people who love her to help her. Margene is so young & I can't imagine how having sex with a much older man at such a young age to fill the void of emptiness, being brought into a family with a religion she doesn't understand - nor has anyone taken the time to teach her GOOD GRIEF MARGENE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A BLESSING IS - being a teen mom - a third wife would do to a person. All in all I think Bill failed Margene because he never took the time to get to know her - Bill should have known Margene was too young for him - Bill has never taught Margene about their religion because if he had she would know what a blessing is. Margene is a victim of Bill's ego - & I don't think Bill is an evil person. I do think Bill needs to consider his family more & not be so scattered. I don't hate Bill but I do think Bill has failed his wives - after Margene told her secret her family failed her because they didn't express concern for her - this is sad to me because it shows Margene still doesn't really have a group of people who have a vested interest in her feelings, state of mind, level of self worth & confidence, & easing her burdens.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 5, 2011 1:40:53 GMT -5
Bill didn't bring a 40 something female into the marriage, or a thirty something female into the marriage - Bill didn't bring a female in her late twenties into the marriage. Bill preaches about The Principle & when you are doing something that is so easily judged you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. Bill was attracted to Margene because of her youth & really should have known better than to enter a sexual relationship with Margene as Bill was the much older adult before getting to know Margene's heart, mind & soul. If Bill was interested in facilitating such spiritual relationships than Bill should have spent time with Margene before having sex with her - Bill should have known Margene would have done anything at 15 years old to get adopted, have a family and have a family before having sex with Margene. When Bill informed Barb & Niki his intentions with Margene The Babysitter / Home Plus worker Barb should have said "come on she's a child." I have several neighbors with 15, 16, 17, & 18 year old daughters. Any man that would think it was okay to have a sexual relationship with them would be in the wrong. I was mostly disappointed on how Margene was treated when she told how old she was when she met Bill. These are the people who claim to love each other, support each other & are creating an eternal life together - they should care more about Margene - Bill & Barb should have reached out to Margene & apologized that they allowed themselves to be blinded by The Principle, lust, envy - whatever it was that caused Bill & Barb to have the common since to know Bill should not be having sex with an 18 year old girl -- Margene's family should be worried about her well being & should feel guilty that their way of life opened the door for Margene's innocence to be taken away. I think deep down Bill & Barb knew Margene wasn't 18 but chose to overlook it. Regardless their is no way they didn't know Margene was way too young for Bill & Bill shouldn't have been having sex with such a young female. Margene did lie but Margene wasn't living by The Principle - under the Guidance of Heavenly Father - The Book of Mormon -- Bill at the time of meeting Margene was supposed to be living by a higher standard. Bill had also embarked on a journey where he knew he had to be more accountable for his actions. Bill's dedication to The Principle, Heavenly Father - & Bill's Godly intentions meant that Bill had a responsibility to God & his family to make sure Margene was old enough to be sealed. Bill decided to live what he considers a God centered life & Bill decided to live a life that he was creating on both Earth & Heaven - because of Bill's choices he didn't have room for error or being taken over by lust towards a young girl - Bill was in a position of power & responsibility when it came to bringing wives into the marriage including Margene. Bill's choice of how to live his life meant there is no room for errors such as getting involved with underage girls. It happened & Margene needs the people who love her to help her. Margene is so young & I can't imagine how having sex with a much older man at such a young age to fill the void of emptiness, being brought into a family with a religion she doesn't understand - nor has anyone taken the time to teach her GOOD GRIEF MARGENE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A BLESSING IS - being a teen mom - a third wife would do to a person. All in all I think Bill failed Margene because he never took the time to get to know her - Bill should have known Margene was too young for him - Bill has never taught Margene about their religion because if he had she would know what a blessing is. Margene is a victim of Bill's ego - & I don't think Bill is an evil person. I do think Bill needs to consider his family more & not be so scattered. I don't hate Bill but I do think Bill has failed his wives - after Margene told her secret her family failed her because they didn't express concern for her - this is sad to me because it shows Margene still doesn't really have a group of people who have a vested interest in her feelings, state of mind, level of self worth & confidence, & easing her burdens. I couldn't agree with you more! Very well put! Thank you!!!
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Post by marigoldmama on Feb 5, 2011 12:07:23 GMT -5
Alberta, you are totally right.
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Post by marigoldmama on Feb 5, 2011 12:16:13 GMT -5
Even IF Bill was totally oblivious and didn't know her age, Barb didn't suspect? Barb is a woman. She has a daughter of similiar age to the 15 year old Margene and she has NO clue? She is also a teacher so she has worked with children. This is not someone totally unfamiliar with teens. Does Barb have all her marbles? Nicki too. However, Nicki didn't vote for her so at least she gets credit for that. Barb?? That is totally insane. Women can tell the different between a child and a woman. Lois was the only one who called it right in season one. She told Bill that Margene was a child and the Principle is a holy calling, not some excuse to marry young girls.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 5, 2011 14:10:32 GMT -5
Exactly right marigoldmama!
How did Barb not pick up on this? I know, as a woman... When I see underage girls wearing things they shouldn't be... They might look 25 from behind but you get up close you can clearly see they are underage... And you can tell by their behavior!
I think Barb has been drinking too much benedryl and taking too many antidepressants and anti anxiety medication to deal with the fact that once she was on her death bed her husband, instead of being by her side and telling it was okay for her to not be able to have any more children... That his love for her meant more than that; was out looking to replace her before she was even dead!
I can't imagine how much something like that would fuck with my head! So Barb is probably in a huge drug induced fog and has been for quite some time. Maybe the alcohol is just the latest thing she's trying out because she's grown tolerant to the rest of the things she's been taking.
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Post by albertaleon on Feb 5, 2011 16:59:20 GMT -5
Southersong, Mariogoldmama, Morgain13 & BigLoveJunkie, I agree with all of your posts.
Hopefully in the upcoming episodes more will be explained. I would think Bill would have to ask Margene how she concealed this all this time with the will, purchase of the car, starting a business.
Morgain13, I agree with you. I've often thought Margene was too young for Bill to be having sex with. I've never understood how Barb thought it was a good direction for their family to add Margene to their family. I would think there was something wrong with any man of Bill's age who suggested it was a positive direction for his life to engage in sexual activity with an 18 year old - much less in Bill's case who claims to have the intention of a created a life mandated by what is right in God's view. I would think Barb would have told Bill Margene was way too young at 18 - I could see if Bill asked Barb & Nikki to mentor Margene & build her Spirit teaching Margene about the Mormon religion, the religious reasons behind polygamy, and teaching Margene how their intention is to build a life for all eternity. After teaching Margene all these things for at least a year - then maybe Barb could agree to marry Margene & for Bill to have sex with Margene with the purpose of creating children.
Aliensummer wrote something such as "The Henricksons try as they might are & have been off track." I think this is a good point because no matter what Bill claims to be doing - it's clear with the revelation of Margene's age that Bill has failed. Hopefully The Henricksons can get on track - they will have to help Margene psychologically, Nikki will have to stop being so controlling & selfish & Barb will have to stop being passive aggressive & numbing her real feelings with things such as alcohol.
In a way I think Barb voted for Margene because she knew Nikki wouldn't like it - I think Barb didn't like having Nikki as a Sister Wife because Barb's truly didn't want to enter The Principle. Barb voting for Margene is similar to me when Barb sent in the information about Ana to the press -- Barb wanted to stop the campaign -- I think Barb voted for Margene because she wanted Nikki to feel as unhappy about having Margene as a Sister Wife as Barb felt about having Nikki as a Sister Wife.
I didn't like it when Nikki said basically "it's not my fault about Margene I didn't vote for her." Well, Margene is your Sister Wife now Nikki! Since Margene is Nikki's Sister Wife Nikki should care about Margene. Nikki shouldn't have been looking at fault but looking at Margene & being concerned for her Sister Wife & her well being. Nikki wants to protect CL from the same thing Margene is going through -- I WISH when it came to CL Barb & Margene would say "it's not our fault you grew up on Juniper Creek & your crazy dad put you in a joy book & gave you to the monster JJ - when you were sealed in this family we didn't know about CL - we aren't going to help you adopt CL - because it's not our fault!"
Most of what I realized by Margene's secret is that Margene's family sucks! Here is their broken wife, sister wife, mother of their children - & none of them hug her, console her, express that their hearts are breaking with the knowledge of knowing they ruined a 15 year old girl's life.
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Post by duets on Feb 5, 2011 22:00:32 GMT -5
Let's face it ladies, alot of men are just made this way, maybe not to the point of child-brid-ing it; but having other women.
It seemed to have worked for our squickier-than-clean Golf-ing sweetheart, Tiger. Who would have thought he'd just dance off the championship 18th green & reach for his cell phone to make arrangements with what's her name & other's, and then there's B. Clinton, who even brought his dream-girl into the oval office for some after-noon delight!
Until they get caught, it's just all fun & games. Should we really expect anything more from Bill? The family always suffers when the guy decides to sew a few wild oats, as do the kids.
Plus, Barb being in her improvement/drug/alcohol state, Nicki avoiding sex & sneaking her BCP's, it was only a matter of time til Bill went looking for someone to fill in the gap. Tnen not long after Margene has the baby & is busy w/kids & her jewelry selling, Bill just happens upon Ana........
The only difference is, Bill calls it a revelation, so that makes it all ok, lol
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Post by janman50 on Feb 5, 2011 22:32:08 GMT -5
Withay,
When it comes to rape and molestation, there is a thing called "date of discovery." That means if an act took place 50 years ago and the perpetrator is still alive, someone can be charged. The govt uses the date they found out about the act (the date of discovery) and files charges as the start date. (The Hendricksons are really skating on thin ice - remember the opening sequence? LOL) Regardless of what Margene wants, all three of the Hendricksons clan (Bill, Barb, and Nikki, who voted no) could be charged with a felony and could be facing some serious jail/prison time (See Warren Jeffs). Because the legal system uses the date they found out about the act, not the date it actually took place.
It was instituted to protect people who were assaulted/wronged years ago and not in the position to protest/press charges.
Bill, Barb and even Nikki (who voted no) could still be charged. So basically the statute of limitations does not run out. Kind of like murder. Basically no limit.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 5, 2011 22:52:51 GMT -5
Withay, When it comes to rape and molestation there is a thing called "date of discovery." That means is an act took place 50 years ago and the perpetuator is still alive, they can be charged. It was instituted to protect people who were assualted/wronged years ago and not in the position to protest/press charges. Bill, Barb and even Nikki (who voted no) could be charged. I wish that held true in Florida... A close relative of mine was raped and molested by another relative and the police even set up a controlled phone call and got a full recorded confession and still did not pursue the case because they said the case was too old and the statue of limitation had changed since it took place... It took place about 10 years prior to it being reported.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 5, 2011 22:54:31 GMT -5
Let's face it ladies, alot of men are just made this way, maybe not to the point of child-brid-ing it; but having other women. It seemed to have worked for our squicker-than-clean Golf-ing sweetheart, Tiger. Who would have thought he'd just dance off the championship 18th green & reach for his cell phone to make arrangements with what's her name & other's, and then there's B. Clinton, who even brought his dream-girl into the oval office for some after-noon delight! Until they get caught, it's just all fun & games. Should we really expect anything more from Bill? The family always suffers when the guy decides to sew a few wild oats, as do the kids. Plus, Barb being in her improvement/drug/alcohol state, Nicki avoiding sex & sneaking her BCP's, it was only a matter of time til Bill went looking for someone to fill in the gap. Tnen not long after Margene has the baby & is busy w/kids & her jewelry selling, Bill just happens upon Ana........ The only difference is, Bill calls it a revelation, so that makes it all ok, lol Yes... So true lol! All of Bill's indiscretions are "revelations from heavenly father"... "Heavenly father wants me to sleep with other women when I get bored with my wives"..."Heavenly father thinks I should find a teenager to screw". LMAO! Bill and his revelations!
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Post by duets on Feb 5, 2011 23:56:15 GMT -5
Janman, I don't think I'd hold my breath on this one. Warren Jeff's conviction in Utah was over turned unanimously per the Supreme Court, due to "faulty jury instruction". In reality, I don't think they really wanted to pursue this. I think Texas will have a different outcome. I think that Utah would rather Texas be the bad guy here to prosecute Jeff's. After-all Utah is poly-country & practically 1/2 of the police & officials have either been there or may be there themselves, either in real life or family history !! And you know that gggrand-maw Barlow or ggg-paw Jessup couldn't be all wrong, lol I seriously doubt that Bill/family would have any legal consequences. Withay, When it comes to rape and molestation there is a thing called "date of discovery." That means is an act took place 50 years ago and the perpetuator is still alive, they can be charged. It was instituted to protect people who were assualted/wronged years ago and not in the position to protest/press charges. Bill, Barb and even Nikki (who voted no) could be charged.
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Post by withay on Feb 6, 2011 0:28:16 GMT -5
Withay, When it comes to rape and molestation, there is a thing called "date of discovery." That means if an act took place 50 years ago and the perpetrator is still alive, someone can be charged. The govt uses the date they found out about the act (the date of discovery) and files charges as the start date. (The Hendricksons are really skating on thin ice - remember the opening sequence? LOL) Regardless of what Margene wants, all three of the Hendricksons clan (Bill, Barb, and Nikki, who voted no) could be charged with a felony and could be facing some serious jail/prison time (See Warren Jeffs). Because the legal system uses the date they found out about the act, not the date it actually took place. It was instituted to protect people who were assaulted/wronged years ago and not in the position to protest/press charges. Bill, Barb and even Nikki (who voted no) could still be charged. So basically the statute of limitations does not run out. Kind of like murder. Basically no limit. I know that many states and jurisdictions have changed the laws in this way to protect children (in particular) and women. However, given the history of early "marriage" in Utah, I would be surprised if this is true there. Even if it is true in real life, I suspect, for the purposes of the show, the writers will take creative license and say that the statute of limitations has run out.
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