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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 11:05:46 GMT -5
Margene's secret has been revealed! I feel as though Bill being the adult had more of a responsibility towards his family to make sure Margene was the age of majority before acting on his divine wisdom to bring Margene into the family. I also feel as though Barb & Niki don't really love Margene -- I almost think Barb voted for Margene just because she thought it would irritate Niki.
Instead of being angry at Margene Niki, Barb, & Bill should be ashamed that their life style led them to being able to take advantage of a lonely teenager -- all of them should see how they failed to really be there for Margene. Margene doesn't seem happy to me & I can't blame her - I don't think Barb & Niki truly love her. I'm hoping the Pyramid Motivational Warren Buffet type guy falls in love with Margene - & shows Margene how beautiful & rewarding true love can be.
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Jan 31, 2011 11:44:30 GMT -5
No doubt Bill carries the ultimate responsiblity...
But as easy as it is to love and forgive Margene, this will be a tough one. It's the ultimate betrayal, honestly, because now the Hendrickson embodies a powerful negative stereotype. Nicki will have no trouble forgiving this transgression but Barb's relationship with Marge may never be the same.
Surely Bill must resign now?
The family seems destined for the Big House and Lura and Adaleen may help them land there.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 31, 2011 11:53:52 GMT -5
In the real world, I'm totally disgusted that Bill had a sexual relations with a girl, a minor, who is almost the same age as his daughter. I know that Bill didn't know but it does turn the stomach just thinking about it.
On the show...did you notice that Bill said "Your mother said you were 18"
When we first met Ginger, it was clear to the viewer that Bill and Ginger never met before. Was this a phone conversation?
I thought that was just odd that he said that. Shouldn't the writers have left it alone, just that Margene was a teen girl and kinda fooled them to be in a loving family? Why bring up GInger?
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 11:54:15 GMT -5
Margene was just a child when she met this family. They are idiots if they couldn't tell that Margene acted as young as Bill & Barb's oldest children.
Niki took Margene's license to work at that place for Roman. Niki didn't even look at the information on the license.
I really get the feeling Margene doesn't matter to them - right now they are all worried about themselves - they need to be worried about the psychological impact they have had on a child they sealed to Bill at 16 - they need to worry about how Bill could have let this happen - it's really not Margene's fault - Margene has been looking for a place to be loved, love & to belong -- to get this Margene was willing to seal herself at 16.
Bill, Barb, & Niki should be thinking about how many cracks their polygamist family has & has had to be able to take advantage of a young teenage girl. If I were Barb I may be more concerned about Bill & how it was possible for him to be attracted to a 15 / 16 year old -- & then to have sex with a 15 / 16 year old.
I think Bill, Barb & Niki need to apologize to Margene & they need to find out if they have scarred her - & they need to find out what Margene needs to get over being sealed at 16 & having babies. Margene's well being should be the most important thing to them - not how this truth will impact Bill's political career or anything else.
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Post by firstwife on Jan 31, 2011 12:16:47 GMT -5
Considering that his relationship to Margene has now crossed over in to felony territory, the family has every right to be worried. Bill could potentially face charges over this. Jail time and impeachment from the State Senate are now real possibilities.
Of course Bill has a share in the blame. But ultimately, it was Margene who lied. She knew what she was doing was wrong and illegal when she had Ginger lie for her, too. Margene is no innocent, she manipulated the lust of an older man to get what she wanted.
Niki might have a problem with Margene being underaged, but then again, she might not. It was a normal part of the life she lived on the compound. Even though she didn't want to be married young and doesn't want Cara Lynn to go down the path, she sees that Margene entered in to it willingly.
Barb is going to have the hardest time with this. Now she has to look at her husband and wonder if he is a closet child molester on top of being a horny goat who can't keep it in his marital pants.
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 13:05:24 GMT -5
Almost all teenagers lie - Margene lied because she was lonely & wanted to be loved & to give love.
If a twenty six year old male has sex with a fifteen year old girl - the 26 year old male is the one in trouble with the law not the 15 year old girl - even if the girl said she was 18.
Bill was a man who had already had a long marriage with Barb & three children. Bill as an adult man should have been responsible & insisted on documentation on Margene's age. Barb should have done the same thing.
Now the damage has already been done & if Bill, Barb, & Niki love Margene their concern should be about Margene's well being & her psychological state of having sex at 15 with a much older man then sealed to him at 16. Bill's political career shouldn't be more important than Margene's well being - Bill's political career is a borderline joke.
I don't think Margene manipulated the lust of Bill to get what she wanted - because Margene hasn't gotten what she wanted which is love. Bill was attracted to this young, vibrant, fun girl much like Ben was -- I think Bill made Margene feel safe & Bill said all the right things to Margene to make her feel understood, valued, secure, & inspired. I think if Margene would have told Bill her actual age at the time Bill would have still had sex with her.
I feel bad for Margene because she wanted Bill, Barb & Niki to love her & they haven't. When Margene shared her real age they all made it a point to make her feel bad - which isn't something you do to a person you love. Bill & Barb should have asked Margene what she needs now because being a child bride & mother has had to have a severe impact on Margene. Bill should have said it was his responsibility as the leader of the family to have checked her age.
Sarah could have easily been in Margene's shoes if Barb would have died - wouldn't Barb have wanted a much older man to love Sarah so much that he did what is best for her not what is best for him which is satisfying his sexual needs. Even at 18 Bill & Barb should have told Margene she was too young to be sealed - if Bill wanted to help Margene he could have encouraged her to go to school & college -- Bill should have seen Margene's spirit of making money & helped her find that. Bill wanted to be sealed to Margene because he was attracted to her just like her was attracted to Ana -- Bill didn't want to take the time to give Margene true love & Bill didn't take the time to tell Margene there is much more to life / relationships than sex -- Bill should have given Margene's soul the inspiration to achieve her dreams.
I don't think Margene has anything to feel badly about - she was 15 / 16 years old when Bill started having sex with her. At this young age it's the adults responsibility. For example, an adult man should know better than to take a group of teenage girls camping -- as innocent as the adult man's intentions would be doing so is just asking for trouble one the teenage girls could say the adult man touched her. Life is hard enough without inviting trouble in.
Right now Margene's family need to find out how she is doing mentally since she was only a 15 / 16 year old child when Bill started having sex with her. If they love her, her well being would be the most important aspect of this revelation. Bill should feel bad because he should be asking himself how he could let something like this happen. Margene has never been loved - even her mom didn't care what was best for her & lied about her age. I know my mom would never lie about me being 18 when I was really 16 so I could be sealed, have sex with a middle age man, & become a teen mom.
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Post by southernsong on Jan 31, 2011 13:12:27 GMT -5
Here's my problem with all of this. Margene first worked at Home Plus. She worked for Bill. She had to provide her drivers license for employment. Plus, when a person is under 18, there are certain things she cannot do due to her age (drive a forklift, work a trash compactor, etc). Bill should have known her age if he put in any effort into knowing his employees.
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 13:43:12 GMT -5
Southernsong, I agree with you. I'm sorry to repeat myself b/c I wrote this already - but Bill couldn't even take the time to look at his employees record to get information on Margene before having sex with her. Plus, I think if a man is having a sexual relationship with a girl & it's iffy if she's 18 or not then the much older man shouldn't be having sex with this female.
Somewhere I wrote Bill just wanted to have sex with Margene because if Bill was so concerned about Margene's age & the impact her age would have on the family Bill could have easily checked her employee record.
I agree with you Southernsong & think you are correct!
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Post by southernsong on Jan 31, 2011 13:45:02 GMT -5
You are right. Bill was lazy and a horny old goat.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 31, 2011 14:23:07 GMT -5
Yeah, she worked at Home Plus and don't forget, she was the Babysitter.
Bill had access to her records, would't you check them out before you left your children with her? Uh, I most CERTAINLY would've!
You are right, Bill should've known. Margene did lie. By law, Bill holds all the blame but in the family, Margene deceived them and that's not so great either.
Bill didn't know that she was 16? I find that really hard to believe...I know that some teens are rocking hot and look like women all but come on. Bill is a grown man with children Margene's age, he had no clues? None? He liked the pedophile sex?
Bill and Margene had sex before they were married...Bill was doing it with a possible 15 year old?
(ugh, I feel sick)
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Post by bridget on Jan 31, 2011 14:38:44 GMT -5
It's both of their fault in my opinion. Yes, Bill should have verified, but come on. If both mother and daughter claim that the girl is of age, and you're not worried about legal documentation anyway since the marriage is illegal to begin with, I don't see how this would really have come up before. I do agree that Bill should have had access to her personnel file, but I was never under the impression that Bill handled those issues. Mostly it was Don.
Regardless, I also think it is stupid to beat Margene up for this. Yeah, she lied. Nicki has lied about ALL SORTS of things that were really harmful to the family. Margie was stupid. At 16 she just wanted a family to love her and take care of her. She probably viewed her age (like many teenagers do) as "just a number" and genuinely didn't think of it as a big deal at the time. She said as much in the episode last night.
Margie has bought in. She's had babies and raised Nicki and Barb's kids. She gave up her career for Bill. Several years later it is a bit late to bitch her out for acting like a teenager when she was a teenager. It's time to give her the love and support she needs to continue being a functional member of the family.
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Post by southernsong on Jan 31, 2011 14:40:38 GMT -5
I just had a thought. Remember back in one of the earlier seasons (I believe it was season 2) when Ben got mad at the Home Plus worker and shoved him into a display because he was talking about how much Margene liked spanking? So this guy was also a statutory rapist. This isn't a bad angle for a storyline, but I think it is clear the writers didn't think this one through all the way.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 31, 2011 14:52:43 GMT -5
Ugh, Southern Song, that is right!
Mr. Spanky was doing it with a 15 year old because Marge had sex with him before she even met Bill? Where is the puking icon. I have kids in this age group so this really looks bad to me.
Margene also confided in Nicki that she was 16 when she lost her viginity. Guess that was a mix up with writing or Margene lied?
However, there was that whole incident with Margene's age...remember she said she was 5 years old than Ben and then it was three years or something and we all talked about how mixed up it was?
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Post by morgain13 on Jan 31, 2011 15:03:20 GMT -5
Personally I was always kinda grossed out by their age difference (& that's when I thought she was a few years older) but it was always to weird that she was close in age to Sarah & Ben. I feel so bad for her. She just wanted to belong. I feel bad for Nikki & Barb too - its gotta hurt knowing their husband was with a child. Hence Barb's drinking I guess. I can see how they got mad at her at first. They feel betrayed though I hope after they think about it for a bit they realize that they need to step up & figure out what to do & how to help Margie. I also find this unrealistic since besides all that you guys mentioned - what about that whole will thing the lawyer was doing a couple of seasons ago - you're telling me when you draw up a will, that you don't need to present some proof of identification? and didn't he buy her a car in season 1 - is that not registered to her?
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Jan 31, 2011 15:05:52 GMT -5
I guess what bothers me is that in all 3 seasons there's been no lead-up to this. Yes Margene was insecure and immature...but immature compared to Barb and Nicki, not teenage 16 year old marries 40something man immature. Plus throughout the show Nicki has resented Marge for having had adult life experience prior to the family...well it turns out she didn't
That's also a good point about the virgin thing....she can't have lost her virginity to "some boy" at 16 if he was sleeping with Bill at 15.
Think of all the drama surrounding Rhonda and her offer to Bill to be his wife. So throughout all this Marge continues to hide her secret? That's an elaborate deception there...
This is a really awkward move by the writers but it certainly inserts some drama.
Ultimately Lois is vindicated since her first reaction to Marge was that Bill had betrayed his values and married a child.
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