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Post by wurks on Mar 8, 2010 23:29:16 GMT -5
Women are not an offshoot of men. (In fact, it's kinda the other way round, since embryos start out female and become male.) Off my soapbox now. Gotta go back to work. Life is in the seed. Actually you will see that it is just a brain seed if you do your science. The egg is the fertile growing environment. The quality of both is vital to the organism. Your soapbox is not the problem, it is that chip on your shoulder.
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Post by wurks on Mar 8, 2010 23:55:23 GMT -5
wurks, for the fiftieth time, nobody but you ever tries to relate anything to the real "compound" except YOU!! Again (sorry folks, this is an old argument), we don't know anything about the "real compound", and don't pretend we do. Every time we talk about the show, you accuse us of extrapolating to the real compound, and we're NOT! Then why say all that! This is what I said: The nice thing about this season was that was such a departure from reality that nobody tries to relate it back to the real "compound". Except maybe you... still But ya... I don't think even you can do it anymore lol very truly yours, wurks
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 9, 2010 0:36:20 GMT -5
wow wurks - let me say this -
Despite your ever present condescending tone, your lame attempts at dry humor, your never ending baseless assumptions, and off the wall inferences ... every once in a while I actually do find your posts interesting. This thread , and the back and forth that went on between yourself and dsc in it, being one of the few examples. I was being genuine when i cited such, despite what you seem to have read into it. My tongue-in-cheek comment about a wedding invite wasn't baseless either... read back if the reasoning has escaped yoru grasp.
Once again you've made snap judgements and the mistake of lumping me in with some generalized "group" of which I do not belong. If you watched the show, I think you would likely agree that the writers have went from a somewhat neutral stand on poly to a very anti / negative place - bringing to the forefront all the media driven "bad" and showing little to no good in either. Even causing the "mainstream" poly family to fall apart at the seams - the ones we were suppose to relate to. Then again, it seems you can see the word "black" and manage to read "white"... so maybe you wouldn't agree.
As to my not seeing the point in replicating what has already (imo ) been over done (ep synopsis) ... given my invective and patronizing tone why would you even want to read one written by myself? lol I was simply stating what I would rather see (script / dialogue transcript) and again... you flew way out of left field in your interpretation of a very simple statement.
Additionally,I dont need or have a desire to see anyone fail. As a general rule of thumb- I find no pleasure in the pain of others. (That's pretty sick actually.) Unlike yourself I'm not seeking validation or trying to proof or justify my sense of self or beleifs to anyone here. You come across as jaded, needlessly defensive, and the levels to which you exhibit such are ludicrous.
So was your last post meant to offend? Or just serve as another example of the above? (rhetorical question btw, I dont really care.)
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 9, 2010 2:12:05 GMT -5
BTW, it takes TWO, that's 1+1=2, sets of DNA to make a new life. The egg is NOT just a fertile environment. Half the DNA comes from the sperm, half comes from the egg.
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Post by wurks on Mar 9, 2010 9:47:26 GMT -5
You come across as jaded, needlessly defensive, and the levels to which you exhibit such are ludicrous. So was your last post meant to offend? Or just serve as another example of the above? (rhetorical question btw, I dont really care.) I'm sorry. I guess I just lost my sense of humor for a minute there. I won't try to justify it and make it worse. I do appreciate your forum and I have to admit you do present a fairly reasonable tone. Deep down I am really a nice laid back guy. I just tend to get a little caustic in writing sometimes working the extremes to illustrate. I don't really see everything black and white, but poetically speaking, you have to find and try to define the edges. ok.. you can come to the wedding. In fact you can come and be wife number 3 if you'd like. I'm sure we can all work out our little differences and life will be good. btw, you don't happen to be rich.. do you? Then we would have a sweetheart, a nurse, and lots of money. You would have to be converted to Karezza though, If that is a deal breaker we may as well know up front. I'm Sorry for any undue stress I may have caused. I will be more careful. Don't give up on me ... just yet. VERY truly yours, wurks
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Post by wurks on Mar 9, 2010 9:49:52 GMT -5
but lame attempts... sheesh, now THAT really hurt.
Remind me to never get in a fight with you.
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 9, 2010 22:01:07 GMT -5
Not giving up wurks ..or I would have deleted your post rather than taken the time to respond to it. I'm just a little bit over your generalizations, and you're uncanny ability to read something into my posts that is simply not there. In the future I wont take the time to explain what I never said to begin with. Hopefully, that will be b/c you stop inferring somethign that is not there
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Post by northporter on Mar 13, 2010 17:54:15 GMT -5
I don't think men and women are equal... they aren't. I do not want to be a man. I love being a girl (I could soooo do w/o cramps but besides that I'm fine). That does not mean that women can not work just as hard or harder... or should be paid less and have less rights when it comes to important things such as property rights, children, and money. We all want to live comfy and provide for our kids/pets/family. I do, however live in an open relationship and plan to have more than one male partner/husband. My current boyfriend is okay w/ my choice of lifestyle and does not get angry about it. I get so much hate from other people it's unbelievable... even folks that aren't religious and so called feminist. Now I understand that the poly lifestyle is not for everyone...very hard to make it work. I'm not stupid. But I find it hard to imagine why any sane person (Margie) would agree to be a part of the family for so long. I know she is young... but I'd get sick of Bill. He really is pushy and as someone said above... he couldn't even imagine a woman w/ more than one husband... just look as if were the craziest thing he had heard of... I knew he would feel that way. Just made me laugh to see it. That word has been thrown around so much it's starting to sound like a curse word I do think that wurks might be a little upset about something... not really sure why/what. Time for dinner... gotta run. I wanted to say more but I have to be nice to my company
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Post by northporter on Mar 13, 2010 18:00:02 GMT -5
Correction *looked as if it were*... also, did I mention that I love this site... I've started sharing my opinion about Big Love... not used to doing that because none of my friends watch the show.
Oh, and I meant to say that the words "double standard' have been thrown around as if they were a curse words.
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 13, 2010 19:11:54 GMT -5
northporter, don't you think that everything in your post says that you think men and women should have equality? Not the same - nobody says men and women are the same - but that they should have equality? In pay, property rights, money, and the right to live your life the way you want to? That's what equality is.
In fact, recognizing that men and women ARE fundamentally different (no pun intended) is what gives them equality. Otherwise women are treated as poor relations - literally.
For many years - centuries - women didn't get good health care because doctors didn't recognize, for example, that symptoms of heart problems show up differently in women than men. Recognizing that women and men are different, without one being less than the other, is what equality is about.
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Post by goofygadgit on Mar 13, 2010 19:30:18 GMT -5
I am not sure what Wurks is getting at, but it does seem obvious he/she doesn't see polygamy is a bad thing but sees polyandry as a terrible abomination. Yes on both. I'm tempted to be more caustic... but I wont. My point is that it is part of the religious fundamentals and it is a patriarchal order. I also think that every family really should have a man at the head. However having said that, I also don't believe that women should be coerced or owned like chattel. That is NOT part of the fundamentals in spite of all you see (in the news, media, and drama) to the contrary notwithstanding. In fact women leave and write horribly derogatory books about it when the fundamentals get violated. Some of you have made some good points about equality, although I do think that the feminist movement is terribly misguided and has gone way wrong for what is really good for most women. (or the country for that matter) Amen. Everyone is entitled to their own ridiculous opinion. very truly yours, wurks No offense but you are a joke. I find the idea of a man getting his dick wet by a harem a complete turn off sexually. Even though I like the three wives on big love I can't help but thinking of them as whores for letting that happen. Here's where your ideals fall apart, men who are trained to be bitches are very good at cuckholding. Polyandry has worked. In many ways it actually makes more sense but is still equally gross. Polygamy is not bred into a certain gender. It is simply a taught behavior. You were only taught this so I don't hold it against you.
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Post by goofygadgit on Mar 13, 2010 21:16:20 GMT -5
I think that Wurks is, or is pretending to be a fundamentalist. Since, according to Wurks, the one husband-multiple wives thing is inspired by God, it is above judgement, and the opposite one wife-multiple husbands is just yuck, gross, only about sex. 'What we do is above any judgement or comparison because it is holy'. And I also think Wurks meant to say something along the lines of, 'how stupid of you to think that you can judge what we do and have the nerve to accuse us of having a double standard'. I believe that proclaiming that polygamy is holy is false and really just a way of men justifying their (thinly-veiled) desire to screw more than one woman. Patriarchal, misogynistic, and testosterone-driven. If it is OK, or holy, or inspired for men to do it, it's equally OK for women to do it. Joseph Smith was, in my opinion, a huckster and a charlatan. I can almost see it happening.....'oh that young girl is turning me on...but I'm already married......Oh-ho, I just had a revelation from God that it's OK for me to screw her.....I just have to marry her first and I can have as many wives as I want!! Yipee--ain't religion grand [as long a you are a man]!!' There was a very popular thread on the old BL boards about how unbelievably lame the Book of Mormon is. As in, there is no way that God dictated this really bady done religious treatise. I will forever reject any chauvanistic, patriarchal religion--looks entirely too human for me. If God's way isn't BETTER than man's way, what use is it? I agree with what you said. Plus, for such "logical" creatures, I cannot understand how men could believe that a just and honorable God would create a doctrine that cannot possibly ensure the same level of divinity to all men, this leaves about 2/3 of the male population out of it. Unless of course they're just thinking with their dicks, which rarely leads to logical thought.
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Post by northporter on Mar 13, 2010 22:00:22 GMT -5
northporter, don't you think that everything in your post says that you think men and women should have equality? Not the same - nobody says men and women are the same - but that they should have equality? In pay, property rights, money, and the right to live your life the way you want to? That's what equality is. I'm confused about the first part of your question... I think that women should have the same rights as men... but as far as not being equal, I was talking about physically, that's all. Is that what you were talking about? I could have worded it differently.
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Post by northporter on Mar 13, 2010 22:05:44 GMT -5
I would also say that we are different emotionally, but the older I get the more I feel as if I think like a man... so I totally understand what you are getting at. My post was confusing, after I read it three times, I see why you thought I felt that women should not be equal to men. But, no women should be equal.... and I do agree that if we pay attention to the differences we can solve more problems... like health and learning issues.
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Post by withay on Mar 14, 2010 2:47:37 GMT -5
I would also say that we are different emotionally, but the older I get the more I feel as if I think like a man... so I totally understand what you are getting at. My post was confusing, after I read it three times, I see why you thought I felt that women should not be equal to men. But, no women should be equal.... and I do agree that if we pay attention to the differences we can solve more problems... like health and learning issues. I think the confusion here is that many people define "equal" as "the same". And I think almost all feminists have come to realize, if they didn't before, that men and women are not the same. But we still should have equal pay for equal work and realize and accept that different doe not have to be less or more than.
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