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Post by wurks on Mar 7, 2010 13:59:33 GMT -5
But a man, not referring to anyone in particular, really, who does not acknowledge me as what I am, a man who truely is convinced that he is better than me in a hierarchical kind of way, or who thinks he is higher on the ladder of worthiness, just because he is a man, will not convince me that it is safe to lay down my power. Perhaps that is only because you haven't met a whole man. (I'm just kidding) But *sigh* that's the whole point. Both genders need the other half to be whole. It should be about compliment and complete, instead of this perpetual competition. I'm bit more of a conspiracy theorist than that. I think the feminist movement is a deliberate counter culture with destructive social engineering at it's root. It's no better, or even worse, for women than for men. It isn't about equality at all, but about creating or exacerbating inequality and then engendering a destructive class warfare with it. Which, the intelligence or the rebuttal?
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 7, 2010 14:05:04 GMT -5
Let's not forget what Marion referred to earlier, i.e., the cultural and historical dissonance.....our experiences of life are probably very different because of that. When I talk about something, I take for granted that you share the same background and experiential knowledge and 'knowing'. You may do the same. Like speaking a language together wherein maybe 80% of the words have the same meaning, but not knowing which words fall in the other 20%.
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 7, 2010 14:14:18 GMT -5
If you think that most women in this country are influenced by some feminist 'movement', you are decades behind the times in regards to the mainstream culture. Give women in the mainstream culture some credit. Any woman with two neurons to rub together saw through that a long time ago. That does not alter the basic reality regarding fair play and respect, though it is undoubtedly better than it was. Just WANTING respect and fair play does not an evil conspiracy make.... Haha--intelligence isn't tiring, but putting it all together in a cogent way is....and there just has been so much of what you have said that demands rebuttal, lol. Get reasonable and give me a rest, goddamn it.....
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 7, 2010 14:28:41 GMT -5
Uh, I didn't think we were talking about class warfare--is that another Freudian slip? If so, it is very telling....and not nearly as delightful as the previous one....
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 7, 2010 15:25:20 GMT -5
LOL I just wanted to chime in on the whole femi-nazi thing...
Yeah that was like so 1970's lmfao. I don't see many women running around with hairy legs and arm pits burning their bras hahahah!
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Post by wurks on Mar 7, 2010 18:03:09 GMT -5
If you think that most women in this country are influenced by some feminist 'movement', you are decades behind the times in regards to the mainstream culture. Give women in the mainstream culture some credit. Any woman with two neurons to rub together saw through that a long time ago. oh.. so that explains it. There are so few women with those two neurons.. like you seem to have. Sheesh.. don't make it so easy.. lol Seriously.. you do have at least two... it's refreshing . Almost erotic even. I confess that I probably am "decades behind". I am a bit of an old fashioned fundamentalist. That is the real problem with "religion" is that they tend to mistake tradition for truth. Don't even get me started on "science" where they make "peer reviewed" (total bullshit) into established truth. But I digress, This is about giving women "some credit"... woah.. I am putty in your hands. True enough. But it doesn't make the conspiracy any less potent. Actually I think you are just ignorant to it. But that is ok. It's a dark path. Maybe you are better off not going there. "Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise". But don't take that personal, it's really an indictment of the movement. Too often people confusue fimineism for feminist. In truth that are exactly opposite... that is the real conspiracy. Yes it is. That was a trick question. Intelligence is very demanding. But You got me there.. I said i would give you a break. That is female speak for "shut teh f up" I get it.
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 7, 2010 18:23:40 GMT -5
No--STFU and 'get reasonable' are NOT the same thing. Just say something placating....which you did....anyway, I'm going to work now..missing the finale Yours truely, Medusa
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Post by wurks on Mar 7, 2010 20:57:15 GMT -5
No--STFU and 'get reasonable' are NOT the same thing. Just say something placating....which you did....anyway, I'm going to work now..missing the finale . Damn. How could I have missed that? Maybe it's because I think everything I say is placating. lol I wish somoeone (Like BLR or JJ77) would post a good synopsis on each episode. I don't watch TV at all and it sucks having to glean the whole episode from a hundred different blog posts. very truly yours, wurks
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Post by wurks on Mar 7, 2010 21:13:47 GMT -5
I was growing fond of Medusa. (as long as I was careful not to look into her eyes) If you think that most women in this country are influenced by some feminist 'movement', you are decades behind the times in regards to the mainstream culture. Give women in the mainstream culture some credit. Any woman with two neurons to rub together saw through that a long time ago. It's good that you are so optimistic. But they are influenced by it. We all are; both genders. It permeates especially into relationships nowadays. It is twisted into the social structure, the Divorce Industry, higher education, politics, and even has tentacles into most religion now. It's not all bad either, I realize we have some ugly history, like the Inquisition, Holocaust and civil wars in almost every culture that demonstrated some horrible injustice. I'm just hoping we don't learn the wrong lesson and go backwards instead of forward. Do we really want to end up being androgynous avatars? Save the planet for what? very truly yours, wurks
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Post by dsc6 on Mar 8, 2010 10:22:00 GMT -5
Now THAT was a very reasonable post. See, the reason I hung in there with assertive rebuttal, was that I know that getting through the contention, and not being afraid of it, would allow us to get to a harmonious place. As long as we were both game to keep at it, that is. Very Quaker-ish, I might add. I'm proud of you..
Many people are afraid of that, but they shouldn't be. As long as one wants to understand and to be understood, you just keep at it. It's much much better than saying, 'whatever..' or what you might call 'submitting'.
Androgenous avatars....FAIL (as my mainstream teenage daughters would say, in the current teen lingo..some things are a win and somethings are just, well, a FAIL.)
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 8, 2010 17:54:22 GMT -5
wurks, you dont even watch the show? lol well, that explains how you might assume we're hating bill for reasons that are completely off the mark... or how why you might be inferring based on real life experience rather than where the charcters ont he show are going. I have noticed this to some degree, even thought - "how could he see that scene and still think ---fillin the blank--" ? LOL but I think I understand now. anywho - you can find about a million synopsis for each ep online already. I'd actually rather see a "transcript" (not going to call it an actual script) of the dialogue for each ep. That, I havent been able to find. (Not that I've searched all that hard ) PS~ This has remained an interesting thread to follow thanks primarliy to you and dsc . That said, I'm begining to wonder if i'll get an invite to the wedding
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 8, 2010 18:30:04 GMT -5
I'm a little older than some others here - a teenager in the sixties. The equality that most women in the western world assume now was a bombshell when we first saw it happen. And my mother was herself a feminist of her time - university-educated in a time when women weren't, and assuming the right to think for herself. But she was an exception - in general, people expected women to be ornamental but brainless.
Then came feminism. I remember the feeling I had when I first heard, "I am woman." Suddenly we had a voice. We could hold our heads high, look men straight in the eye and express ourselves, and expect to be treated seriously.
While there were still plenty of men who still thought we should stay barefoot and pregnant (and apparently still are), public opinion had begun to realize it was wrong to treat half the human race as lesser beings.
There were some strident voices, of course - there have to be whenever you are making a big change, otherwise no-one listens at all. John Adams was a PITA - and he created a new country. Early feminists had to make their voices heard, and the only way to do that is to shout a lot.
I've said it a lot on the old boards - feminists are simply people (and some of them are male) who think men and women are equal. That's EQUAL, not the same - two different things. In fact, most feminists want it recognized that men and women are very different, but deserve equality nevertheless. Women are not an offshoot of men. (In fact, it's kinda the other way round, since embryos start out female and become male.)
Off my soapbox now. Gotta go back to work.
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 8, 2010 18:36:00 GMT -5
LOL I just wanted to chime in on the whole femi-nazi thing... Yeah that was like so 1970's lmfao. I don't see many women running around with hairy legs and arm pits burning their bras hahahah! Chiming in on this, since I actually remember those days. In the 50's, we wore girdles and stockings and gloves (not to keep our hands warm). When the chains were cut, the pendulum swung in the opposite direction for a while (excuse the mixed metaphor), and we shed all those restrictions. Then we settled down and realized we had the right to dress any way we felt comfortable. Yay!
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Post by wurks on Mar 8, 2010 22:17:51 GMT -5
wurks, you dont even watch the show? lol well, that explains how you might assume we're hating bill for reasons that are completely off the mark... or how why you might be inferring based on real life experience rather than where the charcters ont he show are going. I have noticed this to some degree, even thought - "how could he see that scene and still think ---fillin the blank--" ? LOL but I think I understand now anywho - you can find about a million synopsis for each ep online already. I'd actually rather see a "transcript" (not going to call it an actual script) of the dialogue for each ep. That, I havent been able to find. (Not that I've searched all that hard ) . Nope. And this is the best post yet indicating how clueless you really are. I read the million. Excuse me for wanting yours too. Being an insider makes my seeing the drama less necessary. The nice thing about this season was that was such a departure from reality that nobody tries to relate it back to the real "compound". I don't see anyone actually hating Bill for any reasons any different than the same reasons they divorced their monogamous husband(s) and took him to the cleaners. As if you would show up. lol I know how you are, you resent anything actually ever working out, in spite of all the patronziing. But don't worry it's nothing but "exhausting" intellectual dialog. That is why you and those like you want to see this whole polygamy thing disintegrate. It validates your own desperation some how. However, I don't think these writers share your invective. From what I see they actually want to see it be "a family that works". They are saying they will focus more on the family next season. ...and then you can all bitch about that. lol very truly yours, wurks
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 8, 2010 22:44:25 GMT -5
wurks, for the fiftieth time, nobody but you ever tries to relate anything to the real "compound" except YOU!!
Again (sorry folks, this is an old argument), we don't know anything about the "real compound", and don't pretend we do. Every time we talk about the show, you accuse us of extrapolating to the real compound, and we're NOT!
Jackie's post was reasonable and polite - no invective, no bitching. It's all in your own mind - it always was.
Aarrghhhh! Sorry, board, I'll shut up now.
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