Carl better watch his back...

[duets]

If & when Carl gets out of jail or the fruit loop farm, I think he better watch his back!

Once Joey hears about what Carl did to his brother. Joey will make sure that Carl pays for his wrong doing.

He had no problem killing Roman. I don't think Joey has any problem with "blood atonement".

Thoughts...

[writerwannabe]

For Pam's sake, I hope Carl shot himself right after he shot Bill. Poor Pam, the trial, visiting Carl in prison. She didn't have a job, they didn't have any money. I'm pretty sure Utah is a capital punishment state. The execution.......too horrible for Pam, even if she did think Nikki was a cockroach, at first.

[duets]

Mar 24, 2011 17:15:51 GMT -5 writerwannabe said:

For Pam's sake, I hope Carl shot himself right after he shot Bill. Poor Pam, the trial, visiting Carl in prison. She didn't have a job, they didn't have any money. I'm pretty sure Utah is a capital punishment state. The execution.......too horrible for Pam, even if she did think Nikki was a cockroach, at first.

Carl may have done himself in, I have to wonder if Pam was home when all of this took place? Poor thing, if so, then she is probably still sitting there crying over the shock of all that took place.

If the church won't let her keep her temple recommend because she can't afford tithes & then Margene skipped off to a mission overseas, that leaves Pam alone! It's a good thing she doesn't have any kids in the picture.

[rissmeek]

I hadn't even thought about Pam! OMG poor Pam.

[duets]

Mar 24, 2011 20:41:41 GMT -5 rissmeek said:

I hadn't even thought about Pam! OMG poor Pam.

I can see Pam still sitting on her couch in rue & crying.

[rissmeek]

I think I might cry with her.

[corajack]

I think Carl looked too "smug" after shooting Bill to shoot himself. But all of this is speculation now since we have so many loose ends--anyone could be correct. I hate to say it but I think Pam had to go through her own personal hell. However, Carl may have claimed insanity (and truly after what he had been through he would probably win. That would mean no capital punishment and maybe a few years in the "clink" (as Bill would call it). But again, we just don't know and the more we talk about stuff like this the more it ticks me off that we don't!

[duets]

Mar 24, 2011 23:51:06 GMT -5 @corajack said:

I think Carl looked too "smug" after shooting Bill to shoot himself. But all of this is speculation now since we have so many loose ends--anyone could be correct. I hate to say it but I think Pam had to go through her own personal hell. However, Carl may have claimed insanity (and truly after what he had been through he would probably win. That would mean no capital punishment and maybe a few years in the "clink" (as Bill would call it). But again, we just don't know and the more we talk about stuff like this the more it ticks me off that we don't!

I agree corajack, Carl did have a "smug" look on his face as he walked off after doing the deed.

As for Pam, interesting thought, it does seem that she went thru a lot w/Carl, life, etc. Audrey Wasilewski as Pam Martin – Carl's wife was perfect for the part/character. I loved her line while speaking w/Margene referring to Nickie, "no, the braid". She always seemed to want to fit in or to help Margene fit in with her church friends. I think deep down, she really wanted to be Margene's friend. She observed things that Margene had in her life that she never had & maybe deep down felt that her life would be happier if somehow those things could be acquired.

btw, She's in a non-speaking part in a commercial for a kid's drink, uh Capri Sun or something like that. Her facial expression in the commercial always cracks me up. It's on Nick @ Nite.

As you commented we don't really know what happened in the latter except for what we were shown in the epi, I totally understand your frustration. For speculation sake, I enjoy chatting & speculating about what coulda/shoulda been, just to get other's viewpoint as to their opinion. Thanks for responding here.

[writerwannabe]

Scenario: Pam divorces Carl because she cannot forgive him for turning violent, regardless of how much pressure he felt from the church. With Margene gone, Pam has no one to turn to for friendship, so Barb takes her under her wing. Reluctantly at first, Pam goes with Barb to Barb's church. After all, she doesn't feel welcomed in the LDS church and resents what LDS did to Carl. She meets a nice, older polygamist family and becomes the third wife. Much to everyone's surprise, she was not the one with the fertility problem. At the age of 36 she gives birth to twin boys that she names Will and Hendric.

[duets]

Mar 25, 2011 1:51:55 GMT -5 writerwannabe said:

Scenario: Pam divorces Carl because she cannot forgive him for turning violent, regardless of how much pressure he felt from the church. With Margene gone, Pam has no one to turn to for friendship, so Barb takes her under her wing. Reluctantly at first, Pam goes with Barb to Barb's church. After all, she doesn't feel welcomed in the LDS church and resents what LDS did to Carl. She meets a nice, older polygamist family and becomes the third wife. Much to everyone's surprise, she was not the one with the fertility problem. At the age of 36 she gives birth to twin boys that she names Will and Hendric.

LOL ;D ;D ;D LOL. Writerwannabe, that's so funny.

[corajack]

writerwannabe--too funny. But you know in this show ANYTHING could happen!

That being said--I do think Pam will divorce Carl--especially if he gets life in prison or put on death row. However, I think when Carl goes to court that the courts will be easy on him since he really did sort of go "crazy" watching the "bad" polygamists across the street have good lives for the most part. Add in Margie's influence on Pam that made them broke due to the juice and I think it's a good case for insanity.

But do I think Pam will "stand by her man"? Not at this point. However, I do hope Pam and Margie stay in touch. Pam has no ties now -- she could go with Margie on some of her trips. And you know that Margie would help her financially since we already saw Margie paying her back for some of her juice loss. I wonder how much Margie actually got to pay her back before the death of Bill?

[withay]

Mar 26, 2011 14:54:08 GMT -5 @corajack said:

writerwannabe--too funny. But you know in this show ANYTHING could happen!

That being said--I do think Pam will divorce Carl--especially if he gets life in prison or put on death row. However, I think when Carl goes to court that the courts will be easy on him since he really did sort of go "crazy" watching the "bad" polygamists across the street have good lives for the most part. Add in Margie's influence on Pam that made them broke due to the juice and I think it's a good case for insanity.

But do I think Pam will "stand by her man"? Not at this point. However, I do hope Pam and Margie stay in touch. Pam has no ties now -- she could go with Margie on some of her trips. And you know that Margie would help her financially since we already saw Margie paying her back for some of her juice loss. I wonder how much Margie actually got to pay her back before the death of Bill?

Since I believe that the wives would have each received a double indemnity life insurance payout for Bill's death, I choose to also believe that Margene would have completely paid back Pam for her investment in the Goji Juice. I do not think Margene would have held Carl's actions against Pam and would have wanted to help her start a new life. And I think Writer's explanation of her new life fits her to a T!

[writerwannabe]

Here's another scenario for Pam. Regardless of whether Carl kills himself, goes to prison, or is executed, it's likely that Pam ends up penniless and loses her house. So, Pam has no money and no place to live. Nikki and Barb take her in. Barb gives her a part time job as secretary/bookkeeper for the church. She moves into Margene's house and keep the children at night. In the day time they're with Nikki while Pam works.

Or....perhaps Pam is actually an RN but Carl wouldn't let her work because it made him feel like he was failing to support this family.

[withay]

Mar 27, 2011 23:02:15 GMT -5 writerwannabe said:

Here's another scenario for Pam. Regardless of whether Carl kills himself, goes to prison, or is executed, it's likely that Pam ends up penniless and loses her house. So, Pam has no money and no place to live. Nikki and Barb take her in. Barb gives her a part time job as secretary/bookkeeper for the church. She moves into Margene's house and keep the children at night. In the day time they're with Nikki while Pam works.

Or....perhaps Pam is actually an RN but Carl wouldn't let her work because it made him feel like he was failing to support this family.

Nope, I really like the one where she gets what she has seemed to want all along; a husband and children.

[writerwannabe]

Mar 28, 2011 6:58:23 GMT -5 withay said:

Mar 27, 2011 23:02:15 GMT -5 writerwannabe said:

Here's another scenario for Pam. Regardless of whether Carl kills himself, goes to prison, or is executed, it's likely that Pam ends up penniless and loses her house. So, Pam has no money and no place to live. Nikki and Barb take her in. Barb gives her a part time job as secretary/bookkeeper for the church. She moves into Margene's house and keep the children at night. In the day time they're with Nikki while Pam works.

Or....perhaps Pam is actually an RN but Carl wouldn't let her work because it made him feel like he was failing to support this family.

Nope, I really like the one where she gets what she has seemed to want all along; a husband and children.

Me too. Like the family scenario better. OK with poly husband? Just offering options, something for everyone!