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Post by albertaleon on Mar 2, 2011 11:58:28 GMT -5
Bill, Nicki & Margene: Re-Sealing --
Margene should have held her ground & told Nicki & Bill that she wouldn't be Re-Sealed without Barb. Margene's instincts have always warned her that she couldn't be in the marriage without Barb. Nicki would have been for the Re-Sealing as she is throwing an elbow to get what she wants - First Wife Status. To Bill I think the Re-Sealing was a pure gesture - but Bill should have seen through Nicki & held off on the Re-Sealing until Barb did participate.
This entire episode I really saw Barb as separate from Bill, Margene & Nicki. As Barb married Bill & Nicki it was as almost as she was giving Bill away to Nicki. To see Barb leave Bill's Compound alone in a police car really impressed the idea that Barb was truly on her own.
Despite this, I really hope in the final few episodes we will see Bill stand up for Barb - we will see that Bill's unexpected revelation is to embrace Barb's new thoughts & for Bill to realize he needs Barb -- Hopefully we will see Bill put his feelings of love for Barb for everyone to see & hopefully Bill will be able to win Barb back. I don't want to see Barb unhappy & Barb does seem the happiest with Bill -- I think showing the professor Barb visited showed the future for Barb without Bill - & I don't think that professor was an example of true bliss & happiness which is what I want for Barb.
I hated this episode because I hated seeing Nicki marrying Bill - if the marriage is to serve the purpose of adopting CL I don't see why the wedding, wedding dress, reception was needed. Barb should have just signed the marriage certificate making the marriage between Nicki & Bill legal but no ceremony should have taken place.
As much as I hate to admit it - I was kind of hoping Nicki was going to be shot as she walked down the aisle towards Bill OR the police would have broken down the door stopping the ceremony before Bill's marriage to Nicki became legal.
Margene deserves all the elbows Nicki will throw at her for going along with the ReSealing.
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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 2, 2011 13:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I got that vibe too. It was like she was giving Bill to Nicki. Kinda creepy!
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 2, 2011 17:21:34 GMT -5
In the beginning of 'Til Death Do Us Part - Barb is at home & she seems very peaceful as she cuts her coupons - When the family comes home after church Barb's peace seems to leave & Barb kind of grimaces. I think it is possible that doing the ceremony was Barb's way of giving herself away to another life - free of Bill, Nicki & Margene. However, I don't know if Barb's true happiness is without Bill. More than anything I think Barb is disappointed that Bill's love for her isn't embracing the twist & turns of her journey -- a person who truly loves someone should be supportive -- when you love someone you have to be brave enough to tell the person you love "you shouldn't do that because in the long run it will hurt you & will not be the best for you." I think Bill's love for Barb should mean that Bill would be understanding & supportive of Barb.
Nicki & Margene are soon at Margene's house watching Margene on TV talking about GOJI & the various reasons why she loves plural marriage. Nicki turns off the TV & tells Margene that her rally for children was "TACKY" & Nicki also says "DON'T THINK BILL'S NOT PLENTY UPSET ABOUT IT." Not to mention everything else that Nicki says to Margene is very critical & demeaning.
Bill then walks into Margene's house where Nicki is hacking away at Margene's self esteem & worth & making Margene believe that Bill is upset with her because of the rally (which isn't true Bill was proud of Margene & in last weeks episode after walking by Nicki to kiss Margene proclaims how proud he is of Margene for getting the rally together) - After Bill walks into Margene Nicki quickly says "Hello Bill!" as Margene hunches her shoulders as one would do after their self esteem has just taken a kick Bill then tells Margene that her front curtains were open last night & he would like for them to be closed until all this passes - Margene looks down sad because Nicki has just LIED to Margene telling her that Bill is plenty upset with Margene about the child rally - so because of NICKI'S LIES & MANIPULATING BEHAVIOR Margene probably takes Bill's statement about the curtains as an affirmation that he is upset & takes Bill's harmless comment about the curtains as a criticism of her.
Bill starts to discuss the legal marriage to Nicki - Nicki asks Bill if she should sign the papers as Mrs. Grant or Henrickson - Bill tells her it's her choice - Nicki then asks about Barb's name - & Bill says "She (Barb) remains Henrickson unless she (Barb) decides to change it." I'm sure Nicki is asking about the name Henrickson because Nicki is elbowing her agenda as becoming Bill's First Wife. Nicki's agenda of becoming First Wife is being done without care or concern for Barb, Margene, Bill, or any of the children (not even CL) - Nicki's agenda benefits only her self & Nicki's self is the only person Nicki has or does care about. After living with this type of person for so many years Barb has probably become tired of defending herself - however I blame Bill for not REALLY putting Nicki in her place.
Nicki then asks Bill if she can get a new dress for the paper wedding that they aren't making a fuss over - then Nicki makes it a point to tell Bill that people at church were asking questions about Barb & tells Bill that it (Barb) is embarrassing that they are at church & she's (Barb) at home clipping coupons.
I DOUBT ANYBODY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT BARB AT CHURCH - I DOUBT ANYONE AT CHURCH ELUDED TO BARB BEING AN EMBARRASSMENT - But NICKI HAD TO SAY THESE LIES TO BILL BECAUSE NICKI ONLY CARES ABOUT HERSELF!
All this makes me angry because no family can be happy if one person in the family only cares about their own interests - Nicki is the worst! After Nicki said these lies to Bill about Barb with the intention of driving Bill & Barb further apart - Nicki goes to Barb & tells Barb how much she means to her - YUCK NICKI! I REALLY HATE seeing The Henrickson Family fall victim to Nicki's selfish self serving manipulative lies & actions!
All this being said, I'm trying to remain hopeful that Bill's unexpected revelation will have to do with his Big Love for Barb - I do think Barb would be the happiest if Bill told her that he is proud of her, that he doesn't agree with females having the Priesthood but he will support her & use this as an a chance to learn more about her in their journey together on Earth - I think Barb would be the happiest in life with Bill recognizing the Big Love he has for her (Barb) & showing Barb how important she is to him. I'm hopeful that Barb will come out a victor in all of this - it would be really sad for Barb to lose her life's joy to the lies & manipulation of Nicki Grant. I'm certain that Barb is tired of staying three steps ahead of Nicki to avoid becoming a victim of Nicki's selfishness - I don't think that there is any peace for Barb or Margene living with Nicki - Margene quickly went from being happy to hunched over & sad because of Nicki telling her lies to serve her own agenda. I do hope Bill realizes that The Henrickson Family - including Bill Henrickson - has no hope with Nicki as First Wife / Legal Wife - or with being treated with trust & respect by her sister wives. Barb, Margene & Bill need to approach Nicki with distrust because trusting Nicki is too risky & causes too much conflict & pain.
I really think Barb giving Nicki to Bill was the most harmful thing Barb could have done - more harmful than secretly turning in the paternity papers to the press showing that Ana was carrying Bill's love child. Barb giving Nicki to Bill I think was her way of claiming peace for her future - again, Barb (or Margene) cannot have peace with Nicki's personality & with Bill allowing Nicki to run amuck. I think we are at a crossroads with Barb & Bill - Bill's revelation will either be that he NEEDS Barb & will spend the rest of his life proving himself worthy of her or Bill will be ruined by Nicki's lies & his own weakness to see what was going on right in front of him.
As far as Margene, I felt badly for her when Nicki ripped out her (Margene's) self esteem & kicked it until it died about her (Margene) rally for children & GOJI -- but with Margene making the choice of going along with the ReSealing means that Margene is making the choice to live in agony under the rule of Nicki's lies, deceit, manipulation, & turmoil. Margene should have been true to herself & said that she would be ReSealed when Barb was ready.
I believe that Nicki & Nicki's lies were behind the ReSealing sans Barb. If Nicki was honest with her family, loved her family, cared about the well being of her family - Nicki wouldn't have been putting lies about Barb into Bill's head then going to Barb & telling Barb how wonderful she is.
The ReSealing came about in my opinion due to everything the opposite of Love, Truth, Strength - I don't see anything Holy about the ReSealing because it was the result of manipulation. Bill because of Nicki's lies about Barb & Margene because of Nicki's lies about Bill were not at that ReSealing in sound mind - Nicki was at the ReSealing out of true love, commitment to strengthening their family & eternal bonds - Nicki was there out of self interests & her own agenda. Barb was right not to participate in the ReSealing because it wasn't the right time - the right time would be when everyone was of sound mind (knowing the truth from lies), when everyone was there to commit pure love to the Eternal World, when everyone had a pure heart & commitment to the family.
Nicki is behavior is evil. Margene isn't being true to herself. Bill cannot separate truth from lies which a leader / head of household / Priesthood Holder must be able to do in order to lead his family in the correct direction. It seems as though Barb is the only one who is expressing the obvious - it's just not right now. I think Barb could articulate it better than she is - however Barb being in the midst of all this may just not have the words to tell Bill. So - I am hoping that Bill's Unexpected Revelation will lead to The Henrickson Family living in Big Love - not what they are currently doing which is living in Big Lies, Big Hurt, Big Failure, Big Selfishness - & everything else that is the opposite of Love.
Sorry for the LONG post - but I'm really upset that Nicki has been successful by lying & creating deep pain, hurt, sorrow, confusion, & turmoil. The thing about it is - I don't dislike Nicki - BUT she just has the type of personality that has to be checked. It would be for Nicki's best interests if Bill did hold Nicki accountable for her lies & if Bill did take his blinders off so that he could see Nicki's destruction. Bill needs to be a better leader & husband & I really hope this will happen in the few new episodes we have left.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 2, 2011 17:31:16 GMT -5
I don't really care too much one way or the other about the wedding. It really is just a paper wedding, but I think it's nice that Nicki got to experience an actual ceremony with dress and her family and friends present. I think lots of girls really do dream about what their wedding will one day be like, and I think it says a lot about Barb's character that she made that dream come true for Nicki since she didn't get it the first time.
With that being said, what does bother me about this is that we're supposed to believe that not much time has gone by in Big Love world, in which case, not a whole lot of time has gone by since Bill threatened to divorce Nicki because of the trouble she put the family in and her fling with Ray. There was no mention about any of this, but we're supposed to believe that only a year has gone by? Why would Bill legally marry someone when he was (relatively) recently thinking about how to best transition her out of the family?
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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 2, 2011 18:19:35 GMT -5
Alberta! Wow you are really good!
Are you a Lit major or into film or drama or something?
I'm terrible with that kind of analysis.
Great post
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Mar 2, 2011 19:10:56 GMT -5
Interesting post Albert. I find Nicki's character extremely manipulative and shameless this season, but not necessarily evil or beyond redemption. She is selfish and frequently lacks empathy.
Also, I get the impression that she feels she's the only wife that's behind Bill 100%--eg the only wife who gets Bill and understands Bill's religious perspective. So from Nicki's perspective, marginalizing Bill's other wives is not necessarily a bad thing because if these wives won't get behind Bill then perhaps they should be left behind. It does seem apparent since last season that Nicki wants Bill for herself and is prepared to use manipulation to achieve that. Anyway, rightly or wrongly Nicki feels she should be in a leading position in the family and Barb stands in the way of that--and lets not forget Barb recently admitted to Nicki that her arrival in the marriage had made her unhappy.
Nicki will always be Nicki and have all her flaws but I imagine she could be happy in the right monogamous relationship. Unfortunately for Nicki (and compounding her anger and paranoia), Bill simply doesn't love her the same way he loves Barb and Marge. Indeed if not for Barb and Marge Nicki would have been unsealed at the end of Season 3.
I think that once the CL thing blows up something in Nicki's brain is going to burst and her perspective might change again.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 2, 2011 19:57:32 GMT -5
It seems like Nicki wanted a wedding with a ceremony, dress & reception because in Nicki's mind the legal wedding is more than a piece of paper.
In the picture of Bill, Barb & Nicki when Nicki was sealed - Nicki is wearing a wedding dress with a veil & Barb has on a simple white dress. When Nicki was sealed to Bill she wore a wedding dress.
When Nicki invited her Mother to her wedding with Bill - Nicki emphasized that it was a real legal wedding. Adalene did respond that she herself had no interest in paper weddings - Nicki really has behaved as though her legal wedding with Bill means a great deal.
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Post by kira on Mar 2, 2011 20:05:20 GMT -5
In the beginning of 'Til Death Do Us Part - Barb is at home & she seems very peaceful as she cuts her coupons - When the family comes home after church Barb's peace seems to leave & Barb kind of grimaces. I think it is possible that doing the ceremony was Barb's way of giving herself away to another life - free of Bill, Nicki & Margene. However, I don't know if Barb's true happiness ******************************************Family living in Big Love - not what they are currently doing which is living in Big Lies, Big Hurt, Big Failure, Big Selfishness - & everything else that is the opposite of Love. Sorry for the LONG post - but I'm really upset that Nicki has been successful by lying & creating deep pain, hurt, sorrow, confusion, & turmoil. The thing about it is - I don't dislike Nicki - BUT she just has the type of personality that has to be checked. It would be for Nicki's best interests if Bill did hold Nicki accountable for her lies & if Bill did take his blinders off so that he could see Nicki's destruction. Bill needs to be a better leader & husband & I really hope this will happen in the few new episodes we have left. Wow, albertaleon that took a lot of thought and effort...I am with you on how much Nicki gets away with....it just goes on and on with her......she showed her true self at the very start of the series and has never changed.... Only 3 more episodes, I think the finale is supposed to be 2 hours long.....I sure do hope they bring this to a good close and I also hope they have the good sense to give us some prequel and sequel movies of Big Love. I'm very much hoping the same things, about a sequel at least...a prequel would be great too!
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Post by duets on Mar 2, 2011 21:03:42 GMT -5
It seems like Nicki wanted a wedding with a ceremony, dress & reception because in Nicki's mind the legal wedding is more than a piece of paper. In the picture of Bill, Barb & Nicki when Nicki was sealed - Nicki is wearing a wedding dress with a veil & Barb has on a simple white dress. When Nicki was sealed to Bill she wore a wedding dress. When Nicki invited her Mother to her wedding with Bill - Nicki emphasized that it was a real legal wedding. Adalene did respond that she herself had no interest in paper weddings - Nicki really has behaved as though her legal wedding with Bill means a great deal. I see it a bit differently, I don't trust Nicki, her wedding that she sees it as more than a 'piece of paper'! I think it's more about NICKI getting her way~period. I feel that she has ulterior motives [Tricky Nicki]. There's a mission to her madness, I'm sure since this has been all she's wanted since she came into the relationship as 2nd wife. Plus, her poker gambling issues & putting the family in debt (keeping it a secret until Barb called her on it) and her romantic involvement with whats-his-name the prosecutor @ the courthouse, shows me that she cannot be trusted with putting the family issues seriously as priority. Nicki is simply starved for attention, even to the point of Gary being an example of this. She is so quick to think that anyone who glaces her way is 'the one'. Not exactly what I would label as an honest, true & faithful mate.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 3, 2011 15:16:36 GMT -5
Duets, I agree with you 100% I think in Nicki's mind the legal wedding with Bill is more than just a piece of paper.
Tricky Nicki is a great name for Nicki!
You're right - Nicki can't even see what's going on with her daughter that she's doing all these things for (which is just more of Nicki's lies) that she thinks Gary is attracted to her. Nicki is so self absorbed she only thinks about herself - she can't even put the needs of her daughter ahead of hers - if she could she would see what is going on between CL & Gary not Margene.
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Post by duets on Mar 3, 2011 15:54:25 GMT -5
Albertaleon, exactly. She's virtually unable to put her daughter's needs ahead of her own. Even Adalene knows what's going on w/Nicki; but we can't say the same for Nicki & CL.
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Post by Jules on Mar 3, 2011 17:19:02 GMT -5
@albertleon: Wow, that was a wonderful synopsis and interpretation of the last episode! Here is my take on "Nikki." Though I feel sorry for her childhood experiences at the compound; at the end of the day, I believe that she is "mean spirited" and not "genuine." This wedding is much more than paper for Nikki. She stated last season that she wants Bill all to herself. Nothing would please her more if Barb left this marriage. In her mind I believe that if Barb leaves, she knows that Margene will follow her and then she will have Bill all to herself. I really hope that their marriage proves to not be "legal" and dissolves in these next few remaining episodes. I really want Bill to marry Barb again or be left with no one. Having said all this, I do believe that Bill loves Nikki and Margene, but he is "in love" with Barbara. I know that is hard to see with the way he treats her, but there are countless episodes where we see that their love goes super deep. I just hope that the producers can give us a "happy" ending at the very end. I don't want them all together at the end. This show has truly shown that polygymy is super complicated and doesn't work, so hopefully they will wrap it up with Bill being with just one of the wives or none of them.
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Post by firstwife on Mar 3, 2011 21:05:31 GMT -5
I'm confused. I thought Gary was the name of Don's son, not the teacher.
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Post by Jules on Mar 3, 2011 21:34:02 GMT -5
betheaz: Margene revealed being "16" before Caralynn's adoption was brought up. I believe that Nikki is out to be the only wife and she is on a mission to do so. I am really disliking her this season.
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Post by firstwife on Mar 4, 2011 13:56:45 GMT -5
Nicki has always gunned to be first wife. Back in Season 2 when Barb left briefly following the Mother of the Year incident, she was talking to Bill on the phone from the parking lot of Home Plus. She told Bill to cut Barb loose and make her first wife. Looks like her plan is coming to fruition.
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