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Post by southernsong on Jan 31, 2011 11:20:53 GMT -5
Maybe this will let Bill know that his "revelations" are crap. He received a revelation to bring Margene into the family - but we learn that she was underage. Not only was it illegal, it goes against everything he supposedly stands for. He had a revelation to open the casino and that it would be a big success. That lasted about 20 minutes before he removed the original men from the tribe in charge and then he was removed. He had a revelation to run for state senate. His family has had nothing but drama sense and now, he has a real chance of being prosecuted for statutory rape.
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Jan 31, 2011 11:34:47 GMT -5
What a doozy!
It's quite a curveball, because this requires that we suspend alot of disbelief (GG as a 20 year old..cmon), and it makes Barb and Bill appear criminally stupid. Just another lesson in humility for Bill, though he doesn't seem to be learning. He did acknowledge that it was ultimately his fault, however.
Really this makes Margie seem more helpless as a character than ever. At 20....she might as well be going to college. Maybe she can become Heather's roomie and we can get a spin-off show--"Marge at BYU: the College Years!". Wild times!
If this show is about Bill becoming the man he needs to be, then I hope he will resign that Senate seat and give his family some peace...
This is a really big one for Bill to forgive if Margie was actually 16 when he slept with her....it has the potential to destroy Bill's ambitions.
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 11:46:07 GMT -5
SouthernSong, You would think so! I was so irritated at how everyone reacted to Margene telling she was 16 when she was sealed to Bill. The ADULTS should have started apologizing to her for taking advantage of a lonely child! Niki can stop talking because she took Margene's license to get that job to help her dad. I guess no one where Niki worked under the name Margene took time to look at Margene's birth year - not even Niki. I would think when Niki took Margene's license Niki being nosey by nature would have looked at all of Margene's information -- I guess Niki was too busy thinking about herself to bother with Margene. I do feel so bad for Margene! What if Barb would have died & Sarah would have been a lonely teenager who had a polygamist family take advantage of her vulnerabilities? Margene needed something at 16 but not to be sealed - Margene didn't even need that at 18 - if Bill, Barb, & Niki cared & truly loved for Margene they would have helped her -- not made Margene the permanent babysitter. Margene has nothing to apologize for - Margene should be telling Bill, Barb & Niki that she was a child when she met all of them & they chose to overlook that - they chose to take advantage of her innocence - they could have directed Margene & encouraged Margene into going to school getting money to go to college. On a side note - I did enjoy Ben & Margene together I don't know why & I'm sure it's bad that I did. I'm hoping for great things for Margene because she deserves love - I don't think Margene receives true love at home. I think Margene knows this too & is probably the reason why she wanted Ana to stay so badly.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 31, 2011 11:50:14 GMT -5
This TOTALLY explains why Margene FREAKED out when Nicki stole her identity to work in that office last season.
Nicki borrowed her license and never noticed the date of birth.
We all thought that Margene was going way over the edge with her reaction to Nicki and demanding she quit and refusing to show her any mercy. Nicki hit a huge land mine with that and Margene just lost it and wanted it done, over and gone.
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 12:00:38 GMT -5
[quote author=albertaleon board=season5 thread=400 post=6009 time=1296492367
Niki can stop talking because she took Margene's license to get that job to help her dad. I guess no one where Niki worked under the name Margene took time to look at Margene's birth year - not even Niki.
I would think when Niki took Margene's license Niki being nosey by nature would have looked at all of Margene's information -- I guess Niki was too busy thinking about herself to bother with Margene. don't think Margene receives true love at home. [/quote]
Marigoldmama, I know! To me this shows Niki doesn't consider Margene much less loves Margene. Looking at Margene's information isn't worth the time for Niki - Niki just wanted the license as a means to an end for herself.
I think the entire family needs to apologize to Margene & find out if they have scarred her. Anything else isn't important - the only thing that should be important is Margene's well being - it's not Bill's political career - it's Margene.
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Post by southernsong on Jan 31, 2011 12:16:16 GMT -5
Surely you aren't suggesting that something is more important than Bill! Sure, she was just a kid when she was married off and having babies, but he receives revelations. He is almighty Bill. He can't lose his senate seat and go to prison. There would be no one to lead his family down the righteous path. None of them know what is best for them. Nope, they must rely on him. To think they need to consider Margene - that's just laughable.
/sarcasm
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 31, 2011 13:47:19 GMT -5
Southernsong, Too funny! You're right nothing is more important than Bill & no one would be able to lead his family as righteous as he can. We have seen the strong connection Bill has to God & Bill's revelations prove this!
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 31, 2011 14:16:06 GMT -5
SouthernSong, You are so right! Bill must have a bad anteena with his revelations...I don't think God tells grown 40+ year old men to marry children. It's really gross. My husband is 40+ and the idea of him having sex with a 16 year old child is really sickening. My son is almost that age!! Barb said it right, they really all are unholy. On to a different topic...is is REALLY Bill's fault? How was he supposed to know Margene was 16? Maybe because she looked so young, he should've checked? He said he asked her mother and she said 18. I just think Margene shares some blame here because she was the one who lied. However, she was a child and I think that Barb, Nicki and Bill should offer her forgiveness ASAP. They created this mess together...they need to stick together now and find love for eachother. Hey, wasn't Margene an employee at Home Plus, didn't she have to fill out paperwork to work there?
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Post by bridget on Jan 31, 2011 15:41:03 GMT -5
I posted this in the other thread too but since the conversation seems to be occurring in both places, here is my perspective on this issue.
It's both of their fault in my opinion. Yes, Bill should have verified, but come on. If both mother and daughter claim that the girl is of age, and you're not worried about legal documentation anyway since the marriage is illegal to begin with, I don't see how this would really have come up before. I do agree that Bill should have had access to her personnel file, but I was never under the impression that Bill handled those issues. Mostly it was Don.
Regardless, I also think it is stupid to beat Margene up for this. Yeah, she lied. Nicki has lied about ALL SORTS of things that were really harmful to the family. Margie was stupid. At 16 she just wanted a family to love her and take care of her. She probably viewed her age (like many teenagers do) as "just a number" and genuinely didn't think of it as a big deal at the time. She said as much in the episode last night.
Margie has bought in. She's had babies and raised Nicki and Barb's kids. She gave up her career for Bill. Several years later it is a bit late to bitch her out for acting like a teenager when she was a teenager. It's time to give her the love and support she needs to continue being a functional member of the family.
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Post by bridget on Jan 31, 2011 15:44:39 GMT -5
Oh, and one more thing. For whatever it is worth, I was 18 (barely, by a few months) when I joined my family. I waited until I was of legal age to pursue anything alternative in my life because I knew my parents would FREAK OUT about it, but honestly, I don't think I was any better prepared at 18 than I would have been at 16. I was still emerging from childhood for the first time and experiencing life for the first time. There are perhaps a few developmental differences, but they are small.
The real differences in my adult experience have come later. I am 25 now and I can see a big difference in who I am today vs. who I was when I first met my husband. This is a very messed up situation because it makes everyone feel bad after the fact, but Margie is a grownup now. They need to deal with who she is, not who she was.
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Post by marie on Jan 31, 2011 15:51:18 GMT -5
Just a point I'm fairly sure Nikki didn't steal Margene's licence when she was working using her name. Adelene has all the equipment to make new IDs and I'm fairly sure she made Nikki a whole set of documentation under Margene's name.
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Post by bigluvjunkie on Jan 31, 2011 19:05:46 GMT -5
Regardless, I also think it is stupid to beat Margene up for this. Yeah, she lied. Nicki has lied about ALL SORTS of things that were really harmful to the family. Margie was stupid. At 16 she just wanted a family to love her and take care of her. She probably viewed her age (like many teenagers do) as "just a number" and genuinely didn't think of it as a big deal at the time. She said as much in the episode last night. Margie has bought in. She's had babies and raised Nicki and Barb's kids. She gave up her career for Bill. Several years later it is a bit late to bitch her out for acting like a teenager when she was a teenager. It's time to give her the love and support she needs to continue being a functional member of the family. Bill has to take ultimate responsibility, ethically and legally. But perpetuating such a lie for so long is arguably as harmful as anything Nicki has done, given the legal implications at this point.
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Post by mottob27 on Jan 31, 2011 20:00:12 GMT -5
Maybe this was posted somewhere else already but...didn't Margene tell Ben that she lost her virginity at 16? Does that mean it was 14 or that Bill was her first? And if she slept with that guy (I don't remember his name) from HomePlus then "fell in love" with Bill (read as slept with Bill) doesn't that make one think that maybe her first child isn't Bill's? Or that she slept with someone else after sleeping with Bill?
Sorry for all of the questions I wasn't sure how else to word my thoughts.
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Post by aliensummer on Jan 31, 2011 23:20:18 GMT -5
I know I'm going to go against the tide on this one, but I have a problem with all the blaming of Bill when it comes to Margene's age.
Margene lied to Bill knowing that her lie could get him into trouble. She then CONTINUED to lie to Bill, and was desperately trying to get out of having to come clean. She lied about who she was because she knew that if she told the truth, Bill wouldn't have a relationship with her. This means that Margene's entire relationship with Bill, Nicki, and Barb was built on a lie. Personally, I don't think that's something you forgive someone for all that easily, especially considering the legal and moral implications of it all too.
I'd like to know when Margene told Bill that she was 18. Was it before they started being romantically involved or after?
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Post by withay on Feb 1, 2011 1:02:39 GMT -5
I know I'm going to go against the tide on this one, but I have a problem with all the blaming of Bill when it comes to Margene's age. Margene lied to Bill knowing that her lie could get him into trouble. She then CONTINUED to lie to Bill, and was desperately trying to get out of having to come clean. She lied about who she was because she knew that if she told the truth, Bill wouldn't have a relationship with her. This means that Margene's entire relationship with Bill, Nicki, and Barb was built on a lie. Personally, I don't think that's something you forgive someone for all that easily, especially considering the legal and moral implications of it all too. I'd like to know when Margene told Bill that she was 18. Was it before they started being romantically involved or after? AS, I , as usual, agree with you. I knew many girls at 16 who could have easily convinced someone they were 18 or older. While Bill may have been guilty of being fooled, I feel that the primary responsibility was Margene's and her mother's.
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