marie
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Post by marie on Jan 27, 2011 2:47:38 GMT -5
Bill is Margene's father. 'Gotta think way outside the box on this one, it's being touted as far too big of a secret to be something as straightforward as a history of sexual abuse, sex with Goren, or a secret child. On 'Late Night with Jimmy Fallon' Ginnifer Goodwin told Jimmy that Margene will reveal a secret this season which is so mind-blowing that it's comprable to something like (but not!) "Margene is really a man or has been dead the whole time [a-la a 'LOST'-type scenario]...it's not either of these, but IS "that kind of big!!" Bill being Marge's father meets our expectations of shock-value and simultaneously fits well with the overall narrative of the series AND some of the running themes of this season & the previous one (intermarriage and "inbreeding," young girls being bequethed to relatives, etc. Given this, I bet Bill is unaware (perhaps he didn't know he had fathered a child whom someone like Roman Grant then encouraged to get involved with Bill to keep the lineage "pure"??). But Marge knows! (she & Bill sort of have that Daddy/Daughter dynamic, which would "make sense," albeit in a twisted way once revealed. A young Margene, desperate for a better life, saw an opportunity with the successful Bill & took it (to paraphrase her own advice to Cara Lynn). She is such a multi-faceted, free-thinking character that anything is possible! It makes sense chronologically as well, given Bill's equally shaded past. Bill could have been involved with Marge's mother during his "Lost Boy" years. Has he ever "met" Margene's mother after he & Marge have been sealed? Let me know your thoughts! Thanks all, Cheers!! I floated this idea in an earlier post in this thread. I dismissed it as being way too far out but could make sense. And to answer your question. Yes, Bill has met Margene's mother (Ginger). There was an episode on season 2 (02.07 - Good Guys and Bad Guys) where Margene's mother comes to stay. It was quite a fun little episode. Margene hadn't told her mother she was a polygamist, Barb and Nikki were just neighbours and then Ginger catches Bill and Barb kissing over the fence and everything goes crazy. Nikki tries to steal Ginger to be her mother instead, Ginger gets drunk and starts coming on to Bill. Everything comes out and it was a good episode. I don't know what the secret is but there has been some speculation it relates to porn.
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Post by chloe15 on Jan 27, 2011 9:37:47 GMT -5
Because I'm obsessed with this show, I tape the HBO trailers and promos and then play them back in slow motion. It's absolutely amazing what is revealed!
I think Margene may have been an exotic dancer who fully serviced her audience. My theory is that a former client recognized her when the family went public and threatened to expose her. Obviously she would have to tell the family prior to this occurring.
In a recent trailer, Barb and Bill are standing in front of a dancer with naked legs (can't tell if she's completely naked) with mouths wide open in shock. There are pointsettias in the forefront which leads me to believe this is from the Xmas episode which is when Margene makes her revelation. Looks like they may have gone to see for themselves what she did for a living prior to joining the family!
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Post by KimLA on Jan 27, 2011 11:30:31 GMT -5
I was thinking about this, too, chloe 15. I know everyone has been questioning whether or not the secret could be related to porn due to the fact that it was mentioned in the last episode, and that would make sense. If Bill backs the whole "scorn porn" thing within the senate, it would be a serious problem for them if a sex tape featuring one of his wives were to surface!
I don't think it's possible that Bill could be Margene's father, that is unless Ginger wasn't really her mother.....but I think that would be reaching a bit, ya know? I do have to say, though, that I've always wondered about how the relationship between Margene and Bill happened. It has been eluded to that they met because Margene got a job at Home Plus, worked there for awhile, and then became a babysitter for the Henrickson kids. At some point Bill had to feel comfortable enough with her to tell her he had two wives and 5(at that point I think) children, and that they were looking for a babysitter. Were Bill and Margene already dating at that point? Didn't Barb mention something to the effect that she had forgiven Bill for his infidelity with Ana and Margene? Though I don't remember anyone saying it outright, I have a feeling Margene's oldest child was conceived before she and Bill were "married".
If so, isn't it possible Margene could have been pregnant before she and Bill started sleeping together, and realizing Bill would be able to "marry" her as 3rd wife if he thought the baby was his, maybe she saw that as the perfect opportunity to have a father and a family for her child and herself? I mean, I realize polygamy is probably not the ideal option for most young women looking to get married, but if you were single, under-educated, pregnant, and broke it might not seem like such a bad idea.
She would have to have realized Bill was financially stable, responsible and committed to his family and the concept of plural marriage. He's not the kind of guy who would have deserted her or told her to get lost if he got her pregnant (at least he didn't use to seem like that type of guy!) If she found out about the polygamy early enough in their "relationship" I think it's possible she could have used her powers of persuasion to convince Bill it was time for wife #3. Not that Bill would have needed that much convincing-as we have seen, "God" gives him a "testimony" every time he gets an itch he wants to scratch!!
Part of me thinks the idea of porn/prostitution in her past is probably what it's actually about, but that doesn't seem to me to really fit the bill as something SO HUGE like the producers are suggesting. Now, Margene coming into the situation in the first place under completely false pretenses could be looked at as a pretty big deal, making them ALL question their ideals and how strong their faith really is.
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Post by birdie16 on Jan 27, 2011 11:43:00 GMT -5
Will, that could explain why she has babies with "big heads"! LOL!!!
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Post by aliensummer on Jan 27, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -5
I'm trying to think of a secret that could "explain everything" and be really big.
I don't think Bill is her father. It's way too far fetched and would make Margene disgusting in the viewers' eyes, and I can't see the producers or writers wanting to do this. Margene's character has always gotten sympathy from viewers, and I think they're going to want to continue this. Plus, if they're trying to bring the family together, this would do the exact opposite.
I know the idea of her having been a stripper/prostitute has been brought up, but I just don't know... To me that's just not that huge of a deal, although it would be to Bill, Nicki, and Barb. Plus, although this revelation would certainly hurt Bill's career, I don't think it really explains too much about anything.
As for Margene having already been pregnant before marrying Bill, she would've had to have gotten pregnant really close to the wedding date for no one to have noticed. Everyone knows babies are born after nine months of being pregnant, and there's never been any hint that any of Margene's babies have been premature, so I just find it doubtful that someone (Nicki especially) wouldn't have realized the discrepancy. Also, wasn't Nicki surprised when she found out that Margene and Bill had premarital sex?
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Post by chloe15 on Jan 27, 2011 16:54:06 GMT -5
This may sound far fetched.... in the "Barbeque for Betty" episode (season 1), Bill comes home in a very good mood after a victory with Roman. He walks into Barb's house first and gives her a big hug and kiss. Than he walks into Margene's house and "Roxanne" by the Police is playing.
The music selected for each episode is very symbolic and I always wondered why Roxanne was chosen for this scene. Sting's inspiration for the song was the prostitutes near the hotel he and his band were staying at in Paris. Could the writers have been hinting way back then that Margene had a lurid past?
A sex tape, etc may not be a big deal in our worlds, but we're talking about Mormon Utah!
Remember Margene told Ben in an early episode that she lost her virginity at 16 and we know she slept with Bill before marriage. I wouldn't be surprised if she was pregnant when she married Bill... and this might explain why Barb would have allowed an 18 year old to become her sister wife.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 27, 2011 18:53:47 GMT -5
I think a sex tape is scandalous. I mean, I opened AOL and they were talking about Kendra and some new sex tape. So, for an ex-Bunny, it's still pretty scandalous. Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian etc. It is certainly attention grabbing at the very least. Utah or no Utah. That whole Porn section was there for a reason....they cast Mariette Hartley, a known actress, to bring up the porn angle. Something is up with that. Bill being a Senator who is priding himself on the "I'm a polygamist but I'm a good, clean, family loving Godly man with three lovely wives" is not going to like that and it's going to get him in a lot of hot water. Remember the scene with the "spanker"? The guy said Margene was so hot and all that? Margene might've done a little porn.
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Post by marie on Jan 27, 2011 19:01:43 GMT -5
Have yous ever read Margene's blog. It's been going since the first season, and someone keeps it going during the off season too. I read the entire thing back in May because I was fascinated by the show and didn't have anything better to do.
There are a few entries which were done between seasons two and three where she types up sections from her diary back when she started working at Home Plus. She was working in customer service, she was excited about having a job, but she wasn't all that good at customer service and found the job to be very boring. Bill was always kind to her, and she pretty much had eyes for him from the start. They found themselves alone in the break room together a few times and they chatted. He could tell she was unhappy in the job and on the day she'd finally decided to quit Bill offered her a job as his babysitter. They went out for lunch before she started working for the family so he could tell her about the family.
So they weren't in any form of relationship before she started babysitting. At least not as far as Margene thought but who knows when Bill got his testimony. Babysitting could have been a pretext for him to introduce her to the family.
Something which has always made me chuckle a bit. In the very first episode when Sarah is being dumped with all the kids she says. "Why can't we just hire a babysitter like a normal family?" and Barb tells her "Because we're not like normal families." But I think what she isn't saying is she doesn't want another wife.
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 27, 2011 19:25:36 GMT -5
I read margene's blog too! It's fun!
I wish Nicki had a blog. ;D
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Post by marie on Jan 27, 2011 20:34:15 GMT -5
I read margene's blog too! It's fun! I wish Nicki had a blog. ;D Nikki with a Blog! That would be fun to read. I'm glad Margene has one, I love the random trivia that gets dropped in it even though some of does create continuity problems. I laughed at one point when she was talking about favourite dog names and she listed Lester as one. I was thinking "That's what you named your kid!" Sorry this has gone a little off topic.
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Post by aliensummer on Jan 28, 2011 14:04:11 GMT -5
I think a sex tape is scandalous. I mean, I opened AOL and they were talking about Kendra and some new sex tape. So, for an ex-Bunny, it's still pretty scandalous. Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian etc. It is certainly attention grabbing at the very least. Utah or no Utah. That whole Porn section was there for a reason....they cast Mariette Hartley, a known actress, to bring up the porn angle. Something is up with that. Bill being a Senator who is priding himself on the "I'm a polygamist but I'm a good, clean, family loving Godly man with three lovely wives" is not going to like that and it's going to get him in a lot of hot water. Remember the scene with the "spanker"? The guy said Margene was so hot and all that? Margene might've done a little porn. I get that Margene having been in porn would be scandalous, but would it "make sense of everything" like Gennifer said the secret would? Besides the fact that Roxanne was playing in an episode of season 1 and all the references to porn in the past episode, I don't really see how it would. Maybe just that Margene has a history of making bad decisions, and nothing has changed since then? That's really my only hold back on the porn-as-being-the-secret angle that I have. If that's the secret, what does it explain?
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Post by albertaleon on Jan 30, 2011 13:53:16 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think a reveal of Margene being in a porn would be a secret revealed that would make us the viewers say "it all makes sense now." I think Margene's involvement in porn would make things more difficult for Bill - but that's really it.
Bill being Margene's father would be out there - but if Bill is Margene's father it would go along with the inbred stuff we have been introduced to - also, Bill has seemed very much disgusted by the inbred stuff.
I don't know if Bill being Margene's father would make us the viewers go "it all makes sense now" but it would show that Bill hasn't created anything different than what is on the compound. It would show that all the looking down Bill has done in terms of the compound was erroneous because Bill may not live on the compound - but he sure created one!
I really don't know what Margene's big secret is -- if it is that Bill is Margene's father & Margene knew this when she first met Bill - to me it would say even before Margene became a wife Bill was looked at no differently than what is on the compound - because had Bill been so different & so much better than what is on the compound Margene would have never thought to become his wife - Margene probably thought it was okay for her to do this because it's what happens in polygamist societies.
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Post by firstwife on Jan 30, 2011 18:13:23 GMT -5
Bill is Margene's father. Okay totally not even the remote possibility of being true but I had to throw it out there. I think she has some father issues and is attracted to Bill in a fatherly way as well as a husband way. In her blog (which is written by one of the writers of the show) she talked several times about having reoccurring dreams which involved Bill marrying her mother. This was my thinking. Not that Bill is her father, but that she thought/hoped that he might be and that's why she actively sought out a place in the family initially. There was also a preview early on where Nicki says to Marge "how many other men did you throw yourself at in your attempt to be adopted?"
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Post by marigoldmama on Jan 30, 2011 18:24:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no idea how porn will "explain everything"
;D
I didn't even really know that margene needed to be explained. I think Nicki is a whole can of worms but what are we so busy wondering about Margene?
I think she is who she appears, a lonly childhood with a mom who hit the bottle. Made a few bad decisions and then found love with Bill and family.
Margene does not puzzle me that much. Maybe that is why we can't figure out what the big "secret" is?
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Post by wurks on Jan 30, 2011 22:46:41 GMT -5
allow me to venture a wild guess
Margene lied about her age. She was only (or under) 16 when she married Bill.
You ladies have always been complaining about how immature she seemed to be.
That would also explain some of the attraction to Ben, if she is even closer to his age than she admits. And it would seem to make it more plain why her relationship with Bill appears more like a father image.
Add to that some part time stripper / dancing work and being underage for that too ...
Would that make a scandal great enough for you?
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