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Post by Nickifan on Feb 25, 2010 11:26:11 GMT -5
Also, money seems to have been a huge problem -- Bill was self employed, and it sounds like he did not have adequate insurance for Barb's cancer treatment. So as much as he hated Roman, who else could he go to, who else could solve both problems? And Nicki was fresh from whatever horrors JJ put her through, so Roman may have been looking for a suitable man to place her with -- take her off his hands, and maybe ease some of his (minor) guilt at having sealed his darling daughter to that monster JJ in the first place. Maybe Nicki had a crush on Bill since they were kids, and that was the main reason Roman insisted that Frank banish Bill? I got the impression that when Bill came to Roman for help with Barb that Nicki was practically jumping up and down, "Pick me, pick me!' to go help. Bill's money connection to Roman and Juniper Creek was Roman's loan to establish the first Home Plus store - and the 15% return of the profits to the Prophet. I never had the impression that Barb's illness caused financial trouble for Bill. I always thought that Roman "offered" Nicki to help Bill as a way to protect his "investment."
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Post by mottob27 on Feb 25, 2010 16:33:15 GMT -5
Liz 3564, thanks for the information. If you don't mind I have an off topic question for you about the temple recommendation, is it a one time recommendation or something that you need to "renew"?
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Post by liz3564 on Feb 25, 2010 21:54:29 GMT -5
Liz 3564, thanks for the information. If you don't mind I have an off topic question for you about the temple recommendation, is it a one time recommendation or something that you need to "renew"? The temple recommend is good for a year. You renew it every year.
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Post by miceelf on Feb 25, 2010 22:06:48 GMT -5
Also, money seems to have been a huge problem -- Bill was self employed, and it sounds like he did not have adequate insurance for Barb's cancer treatment. So as much as he hated Roman, who else could he go to, who else could solve both problems? And Nicki was fresh from whatever horrors JJ put her through, so Roman may have been looking for a suitable man to place her with -- take her off his hands, and maybe ease some of his (minor) guilt at having sealed his darling daughter to that monster JJ in the first place. Maybe Nicki had a crush on Bill since they were kids, and that was the main reason Roman insisted that Frank banish Bill? I got the impression that when Bill came to Roman for help with Barb that Nicki was practically jumping up and down, "Pick me, pick me!' to go help. Bill's money connection to Roman and Juniper Creek was Roman's loan to establish the first Home Plus store - and the 15% return of the profits to the Prophet. I never had the impression that Barb's illness caused financial trouble for Bill. I always thought that Roman "offered" Nicki to help Bill as a way to protect his "investment." It's hard to find info on the back story of the show, but I found an interview with Bill Paxton here: www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-031206biglove,0,7726155.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines "It's a saga for my character," Paxton explains. "He's a protagonist on his hero's journey, but it's the last thing he wanted for himself. He's become what he didn't think he would become. He came out of the compound, but believe me, when he married Barb, he wanted nothing more than a monogamous family relationship. But it just wasn't meant to be for him. "His wife got sick, and his business failed, and the only one he could turn to was his nemesis to borrow money from. Then Roman insisted Bill take care of [his daughter], just to help him get her off his hands. Then she ended up living with us. Barb didn't know if she was going to live or die."
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Post by albertaleon on Feb 25, 2010 22:52:23 GMT -5
katilee,
Your post was great! Bill and Nikki do have the most in common with their upbringing and understanding the principal. I got the impression that Bill never loved Nikki (like a husband should love a wife). I remember in one episode someone from the compound (Lois, Adaleen, Ably or Roman) telling Nikki that she had her eyes on Bill forever. This dialoge was an argument if that helps anyone remember in which episode the scene took place letting us know thta Nikki wanted Bill. Nikki wanted to get off of the compound and be Bill's wife. It was mentioned that Nikki begged to be allowed to go with Bill as soon as she learned of Bill's dealings on the compound (which I assume was Bill getting money from Roman).
katilee, you are right that Bill let's Nikki get away with things. Nikki running up all of those bills (but didn't she pay them off by stealing money from the compound?). Nikki being on birth control to not get pregnant. I think that when it comes to the compound life, Nikki and Bill know it best.
miceelf, Thank you for posting the link to the backstory. I knew it had to take a lot of time to find it! I find it really interesting to read Paxton explain his character Bill. The part about "when he married Barb he wanted nothing more than a monogaous family relationship but it just wasn't meant for him." This makes me wonder what will happen next on the journey of Bill "the protagaonist on his hero journey." The part about "Roman insisted Bill take care of his daughter just to help hom get her off his hands." This makes me wonder why the decision was made for Bill and Nikki to be sealed. As I wrote before, I got the impression that Nikki thought Barb was going to die and Nikki would marry Bill and be the first wife. I do believe that Nikki manipulated and conived her way into Bill and Barb's life (I am not saying anything negative about Nikki, Nikki knows how to get things done and I have always enjoyed her character).
Katilee, after reading your post I really did think a great deal. I have speculated that Big Love will end with Bill being the prophet at Juniper Creek and Nikki being his wife. Margene and Barb will leave. I do think that Nikki loves Bill a great deal because she believes that he is the true prophet. Nikki will be happy being on the compound in the big house with Bill as the prophet. However, I never fellt as though Bill was ever attracted to Nikki, particularly enjoyed Nikki, or loves her like a husband should. Katilee, your post was great and I really appreciate your viewpoint because it did make me think about my own. There is a love between Nikki and Bill and there is a strong connection and unsaid understadning between the two of them because they both grew up in Juniper Creek.
Miceelf, I big thank you to you for finding the article! I am still searching for the mormom that blogs about big love. I know that you put a lot of time in finding that article for all of us to read and enjoy.
Finally, I think that Bill has did fall in love with Barb and wanted to be her husband. I think that Bill loves Barb and that can be seen. I also think that Bill trust Barb very much because he gives her so much to do. Nikki asked "why am I asked to do the morally questionalbe things." I think it is because first of all Nikki is good at conviving and manipulating, and, perhaps Bill thinks too highly of Barb to ask her to do such things. Of course there is so much grey in this. Bill asked Barb to return to the church that rejected her and broke her heart for Bill's own benefit. During that Bill did not ask Barb how she felt about dong such a thing. They were doing it for political purposes. However, I think Bill should have offered Barb an explanation such as "this is just for votes and for our life so that we do not have to live in secret any longer."
I think that Margene was and is young and pretty. Bill was attracted to her. Margene had nothing. I get the impression that Bill, Barb and Nikki have helped Margene become a better person. Without them I do not think that Margene could have started a successful business. I don't know if Barb and Nikki will ever be able to accept Margene with all of their hearts. Margene in that big family is very alone. She tried being friends with the neighbors, she did not have any support for her home shopping business (except Ben), she wanted Ana for companionship (and no not lesbian).
I do think that Barb has had it the most difficult. Bill and Barb were married for almost 20 years and had three children. I do not beleive in any of that time did Barb contemplate having sister wives and her husband having children with other women. In my opionion, Barb has lost the most. Even when she gets herself to start believing something such has finding out that Bill and Ana had premarital sex comes up. The previous and other similar events to the previous in my opinion would make Barb very sad about how her life has turned out. On top of that, Barb carries the weight of everything in the family. I just thought of this, but I would like to see Bill and Barb go off on a romantic relationship by themselves. I would like to see if Barb started missing Nikki or Margene, or, if Barb felt as though being with Bill like that should have always been the way her life was supposed to be.
Thanks again miceelf and katilee I can't wait to read some of your more post. The next episode will be on before we know it!
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Post by marigoldmama on Feb 26, 2010 9:49:22 GMT -5
I get the sense that when Barb was really sick, her family and church just weren't there to support the family, so Bill went to his "family" at JC, for help. Barb's sister and mother can be real witches -- I can see them whining and wringing their hands, "Oh Bill, I know Barb is horribly ill with chemo, and I'd love to come help with the children, I really would, but I have a meeting with the Ladies' Auxiliary and Garden Club today!" The people at JC are freaky to be sure, but one thing they have is a ready supply of women who are used to backbreaking work and are trained to serve as cooks, maids, nurses, babysitters, carpenters, farmers, pack horses, you name it. Bill had three young kids and a dying wife and may not have known where else to turn. Also, money seems to have been a huge problem -- Bill was self employed, and it sounds like he did not have adequate insurance for Barb's cancer treatment. So as much as he hated Roman, who else could he go to, who else could solve both problems? And Nicki was fresh from whatever horrors JJ put her through, so Roman may have been looking for a suitable man to place her with -- take her off his hands, and maybe ease some of his (minor) guilt at having sealed his darling daughter to that monster JJ in the first place. Maybe Nicki had a crush on Bill since they were kids, and that was the main reason Roman insisted that Frank banish Bill? I got the impression that when Bill came to Roman for help with Barb that Nicki was practically jumping up and down, "Pick me, pick me!' to go help. Great insight, micelf! I totally agree. There was one point where Bill said to Barb, "what church turns their backs on their people when they need them the most; when you were sick,"..... I think when Barb got sick, the only ones willing to help was Roman and the principle. Roman was probably saying, Hevenly Father will help Barb if you lived the principle, and then Barb gets well. Or maybe, Bill asked Heavenly Father, give me a sign, etc. I don't think I'm quoting right. Good pick up about "what church turns their back on you when you are sick?" I went to a church and when my mom was sick and died, no one really bothered to help. I left that church and that denomination. Bill found more help in Juniper Creek. Kinda ties in to what I said, Bill has emotional ties to JC and returned there in his time of crisis.
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Post by prayforpeace on Mar 1, 2010 15:30:52 GMT -5
albertaleon, I couldn't disagree with you more...when you said Bill never loved Nikki. I think he loved Nikki first. I think, just like she, he sometimes had his eyes on her at the compound...but whether he did or not, he definitely loves Nikki, in fact, I think he loves her the most. They share the fire; he forgives things she's done that he would never forgive anyone els for, AND they grew up the same exact way. They GET each other...b/c as much as they profess to be better than the compound people, there are lots of things that Bill and Niikki see eye to eye about that Marge and Barb don't get. And if you notice, whenver there is some kind of "Vote," he always knows he can count on Nikki to agree with him. She is the most loyal to her "husband," and he knows that. Barb is lucky, IMO, that Bill is so fair and does love her, b/c most men I know would love to have 2 agreeable young women, and not want to deal with an aging nag all the time. If she were in another household, she would have lost her nights, and hecne her power in the household. Nope I disagree it comes-at least to me , Barbs love healed Bill from being dumped by Frank. I honestly think he loved her first-and thats why he embraced LDS and why he spent the first 12 years of their marriage with only her. Nikki and Margene will nver have that-they will never have a period of over a decade where they got Bill to themselves I think Bill was honestly going to stay with just her but her cancer made him make a deal with roman-roman needed someone to take nkikki...Bill needed the cash and viloa-nikki becomes second wife. thats all Nikki was to Bill at first-he marrid Barb for love and he marrid Nikki for a deal granted he did come to love her in his way but still...she was a part of a package he was desprate to have at that point in his life-had barbd never gotten cancer I highly doubt nikki would have been bill
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