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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 15, 2010 21:53:22 GMT -5
Dude this episode was awesome. I had to pause it several times and take breaks because it was so emotional. The whole Dale and Alby thing was just heartbreaking to me. I cried. I liked Dale's character and I liked them together. Alby bringing home flowers only to find him hanging - so so so sad. I don't get why Nicki wore that outift and that hair... But I liked seeing her in protective mother Bear mode. I only wish we'd found out more about Wanda and JJ's creepy parents. They looked like something out of A Nightmare Before Christmas. The Barb thing was to be expected and I'm glad she's finally standing up for herself. Hiring Marilyn was the right decision. I like the Flutes but they don't seem too business-saavy and Bill is too busy spinning other plates. I don't know about the big house. I'm sure they all like their separate houses. It all looked very Big House on the compound to me. A while back, when we were between seasons I had watched some little snippets on the HBO site and they showed one before Home Plus where all the wives lived together in this cramped little house or apartment and they were talking about how they needed their own homes etc. So I don't know if the writers are changing the storyline on us or if this is just about what BILL wants.
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Post by dsc6 on Feb 16, 2010 1:51:40 GMT -5
I was simply amazed. One of the best episodes of any season.
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Post by missym on Feb 16, 2010 13:33:16 GMT -5
What I thought about was how messed up Nicki and Alby really are. Think about it -- Nicki is a big proponent of "The Principle" and still wants Bill to be the new Prophet of JC and yet she realizes that sealing young girls to men twice their age mortally damages them. Isn't that the core of what The Principle really is?
And Alby is just tragic -- realizing that his father was a monster, wanting someone to see the good in him (Dale) so badly, and not being able to deviate from his father's script. It's all so messed up.
I also forgot to mention that this episode was the essence of what Big Love is -- great tv -- lots of nail biting tension and conflict.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 16, 2010 15:07:37 GMT -5
I'll tell you... My heart started pounding at the Caralyn situation and then again when I saw Dale was dead.
Normally I'm not affected THAT much! LOL! I almost had an anxiety attack the episode was so powerful!
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Post by charlottelaurie on Feb 16, 2010 16:40:09 GMT -5
Maybe I am a devious person (I test out as a Nicki whenever they have those silly quizzes 'who are you most like') but I don't understand why Ana didn't just say it was Goran's baby. Who would doubt her? She didn't have to say exactly how far along she was -- so she is big for her 'time served.' So the baby came early. It's not as though she has to see the family, and it would have made life simpler for her.
Besides, Goran will be the baby's father in every way except biologically. I'm sure he would have kept her secret -- probably would prefer it that way to having the interference in their lives.
I'm not getting into the 'Bill has a right to know' business; I'm just saying what I would have done in Ana's place, given her distaste for Bill and the co-mothers.
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Post by sewitgoes on Feb 16, 2010 17:18:13 GMT -5
Maybe I am a devious person (I test out as a Nicki whenever they have those silly quizzes 'who are you most like') but I don't understand why Ana didn't just say it was Goran's baby. Who would doubt her? She didn't have to say exactly how far along she was -- so she is big for her 'time served.' So the baby came early. It's not as though she has to see the family, and it would have made life simpler for her. Besides, Goran will be the baby's father in every way except biologically. I'm sure he would have kept her secret -- probably would prefer it that way to having the interference in their lives. I'm not getting into the 'Bill has a right to know' business; I'm just saying what I would have done in Ana's place, given her distaste for Bill and the co-mothers. but then if she'd have lied and or kept it a secret, we wouldn't have this plot twist
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 16, 2010 17:21:38 GMT -5
I agree there is something not right about this SL with Anna. I also don't find it as innocent as Barb and Margie think it is.
If Anna truly didn't want Bill and the sisterwives involved she would have said it wasn't Bill's baby. They already know she was sleeping with that other man, and she did sleep with him more often than she slept with Bill. She only slept with Bill once, maybe twice... We don't know about twice because they never showed Bill having his wedding night with Anna.
I think Nikki has a point... Regardless of when it happened, before or after the marriage it is an awfully big bull's eye.
Doesn't Anna's fiance work? Why are they asking for money and shoving a lawyer down Bill's throat before the baby is even born or DNA tested yet?
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Post by charlottelaurie on Feb 16, 2010 23:14:16 GMT -5
Sewitgoes reminds me that without Anna's revelation, we'd miss out on the plot twist!
Yes, I forgot about that part LOL Details, details! Thanks for the reality check!
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Post by withay on Feb 17, 2010 1:47:58 GMT -5
Maybe I am a devious person (I test out as a Nicki whenever they have those silly quizzes 'who are you most like') but I don't understand why Ana didn't just say it was Goran's baby. Who would doubt her? She didn't have to say exactly how far along she was -- so she is big for her 'time served.' So the baby came early. It's not as though she has to see the family, and it would have made life simpler for her. Besides, Goran will be the baby's father in every way except biologically. I'm sure he would have kept her secret -- probably would prefer it that way to having the interference in their lives. I'm not getting into the 'Bill has a right to know' business; I'm just saying what I would have done in Ana's place, given her distaste for Bill and the co-mothers. Well, it's not like Ana sought out the Hendriksons to tell them she was pregnant. They just happened to come into the restaurant where she was working. And then the wives all assumed that the baby was Bill's; they never even asked her. I'm not completely convinced that the baby is Bill's child. It may be that she just decided to take advantage of the situation when the Dr put her on bedrest.
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Post by missingkathy on Feb 17, 2010 2:03:59 GMT -5
missym- The theological core of the Principle is plural marriage, not marriage of young girls. Before the Jeffs family (Rulon and then Warren) controlled the FLDS, it's been widely acknowledged that the previous prophet, Leroy Johnson, had a much different policy. Women came to the prophet with their testimonies of their future husbands, not the other way around, and while underage marriage wasn't completely discouraged, it certainly wasn't encouraged and wasn't as popular. The age differences in marriages were also smaller. There's some scholarly works on Leroy, which I could cite if anyone wants, but the most famous example that comes to mind is the mother of Brent Jeffs, the nephew of Warren who was raped by him as a child. Brent writes about his parents' marriage, which was nowhere near perfect, but his mom did get to choose his dad and they were similar in age. His dad's second wife was 16 but it's pointed out that that was unusual and more because the girl came and asked to be married at that age. Rulon was slightly less liberal, although he got more overbearing as he got older and Warren got more control over him.
I mean, if we're assuming the compound people are largely based on the FLDS, I think the point is the PERVERSION by greed of the Principle, which obviously wasn't great to start with but is being used as a means to control people rather than a true path to happiness and salvation.
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Post by marionj2 on Feb 17, 2010 21:19:09 GMT -5
Definitely the most cringeworthy episode this season; some parts of it were genuinely horrible and difficult to watch, the scene with Adaleen and JJ singing to her was just yuck; it can't get much more car crash television than this, surely? The weirdest thing about that scene is that maybe he really was trying to be nice to her. He had no idea that her lying there like a dead fish meant that she wasn't enjoying it. He's probably never seen a woman actually enjoy sex.
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Post by marionj2 on Feb 17, 2010 21:21:23 GMT -5
I agree there is something not right about this SL with Anna. I also don't find it as innocent as Barb and Margie think it is. If Anna truly didn't want Bill and the sisterwives involved she would have said it wasn't Bill's baby. They already know she was sleeping with that other man, and she did sleep with him more often than she slept with Bill. She only slept with Bill once, maybe twice... We don't know about twice because they never showed Bill having his wedding night with Anna. I think Nikki has a point... Regardless of when it happened, before or after the marriage it is an awfully big bull's eye. Doesn't Anna's fiance work? Why are they asking for money and shoving a lawyer down Bill's throat before the baby is even born or DNA tested yet? I think Nicki's right - it's a scam. But not on Ana's part - I think she's being used by the fiance, who sees Bill's deep pockets. The first step is getting Bill to put it in writing that the child is his.
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Post by marionj2 on Feb 17, 2010 21:23:20 GMT -5
And one more thing. How many times in this episode did someone say, "But you said..." and get the answer, "No I didn't." Bill to Barb, I think, Bill to Margene, and one other. Doesn't anybody in this family actually listen to anyone else?
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Post by JJ77 on Feb 19, 2010 0:01:51 GMT -5
Interesting that you should mention this.... Did anyone else notice that when they initially run into Ana and see her pregnant belly bil says "is it...?" and Ana NEVER says "yes Bill it's your baby" . In fact she doesnt say anything at all, at which point Bill and Barb take this to mean it is their child.
I'd have to rewatch to make sure she doesnt say it at another point int he show, but I dont recall her ever saying it is Bill's baby.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 19, 2010 0:33:28 GMT -5
Yes Anna didn't say for sure it was Bill's, but she didn't deny it and then when they asked her why she never told them she said she "didn't want to be a burdon".
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