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Post by biglovegirl on Feb 8, 2010 11:30:03 GMT -5
Notice how in the preview for episode 40, bill says "this marriage isn't just something you can set aside just because you feel like it" or something like that. Well, obviously it is. I'm super interested to see exactly how she lets the others know hey are expendable in the next episode.
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Post by arosieworld on Feb 8, 2010 11:55:54 GMT -5
How about when Margie went over to Sarah's to talk to Ben! That "if I ever mattered to you" thing made me truly dislike her. Ben is 17, its not his job to fix her adult problems! She needs to stop looking at that boy as her peer. He is her step-son. Margie needs to learn what taking responsibility means, she should have come clean to Barb and Nikki herself. She should never have kept the letter a secret, that made it a bigger deal than it was, at the time Ben was a 16 year old boy with hormones, easily explaining a crush. Nothing explains a step-mother having feelings for her son.
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Post by liz3564 on Feb 8, 2010 13:47:46 GMT -5
What choice did Margie have in lying? Bill can't ever be seen publicly as her husband. She came up with the single Mom story to set the record straight about Ben not being her husband.
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Post by nikolena on Feb 8, 2010 15:41:30 GMT -5
Quite frankly, up until now Bill and the other wives have done their fair share of "using" Margie for babysitting, Nikki was notorious for leaving her boys with Margie and getting her to do errands for her in the first couple seasons, and she did her fair share of keeping down the fort when Barb wanted to have a job. And we all know what Bill use her for. And all the while nobody took her seriously...Nikki put her down and dismissed her all the time and even Barb has done her share of brushing off what Margie had to say. Nobody, especially Bill took Margie's business seriously until she started pulling real money. So if her being in the family allowed her to get her start, then power to her...because she did her fair share of contributing.
Besides...she isn't even legally married to Bill. If she didn't have her business and he decided that he wanted to kick her out...what recourse does she have? Especially if she contributes all of her money in the common pot like Bill and the rest of the family wants her to do? I highly doubt that she would get that money back if Bill decides to kick Margie out....and she would have no legal grounds to sue him for it, except for maybe child support.
As for her and Ben, while that's was wrong of her to kiss him and then allow him to be thrown under the bus for it...it hardly makes her a slut and a whore. She and Ben are closer in age than her and Bill. The live in close quarters and he is not her biological son or even blood related. So why is developing feelings for each other considered "sick"? That's the danger of having a wife that's close in age to your teenage son....AND of leaving them alone while you're out pursuing your own ambitions.
Had Bill spent more time at home taking care of his family and the needs of his wives like he's always spouting off about...then something like this would be less likely to happen. And to top it off, Bill isn't really doing anything to help solve the situation. Giving someone the cold shoulder and the silent treatment doesn't help solve anything. Bill always doesn't this passive-aggressive cold shoulder treatment whenever he has trouble with any of his wives and I'm glad that Margie pointed it out when she said "Bill this is you not talking to me!".
So yes, Margie does deserve to have some crap dished her way, but Bill deserves the largest helping!
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 8, 2010 15:48:41 GMT -5
More on that thought blazdell...
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out Margie seduced and got pregnant on purpose with Bill's child to get IN to the family.
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Post by biglovegirl on Feb 8, 2010 15:50:37 GMT -5
Whenever Bill is upset at one of his wives, he completely withdraws physically and emotionally, leaving the wives to sit and wait until *bill* is ready to address the issue. I don't think Margie is going to do that. Margie is finally the one with the upper hand. Why? Because 1) She has the money. She doesn't need Bill's money because she has plenty of her own. 2) She's cute and she knows it. And bill knows it. Other men want her (not just Ben) and she could have another man clamoring for her attentions the minute she left Bill. Margene is charismatic. She's social. She's needy, but she's needy for a *man* while the other wives seem to be needy for *bill*. I wouldn't put it past Margene to let the entire family know where she stands in all of this. So I doubt this is going to go over like it normally does when Bill is upset at one of his wives. And she's a tad evil. That's why I like her. She's going to put up a fight. She's feisty enough to let the others really have it. Remember in the car when she was like "You're not going to blame kicking Ben out on me, No way" with a smile on her face. I loved it.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 8, 2010 15:54:30 GMT -5
I agree on your assessment of Margene, biglovegirl...
I just think she's a bit of a hypocrite. When Nikki was in the doghouse it was a totally different story.
That I find childish.
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Post by kambria on Feb 8, 2010 18:14:40 GMT -5
I feel for Margie, though. I mean, Barb kicked over her jewelry table. Ben won't even talk to her. She has simply had it. Obviously her television meltdown paid off and helped her business rather than hurt it. We gain a sense of that with the woman who said how much she admired Margie's plight as a "single mother". As far as I'm concerned, I just don't think Margie needs the crap dished out by this family. Barb basically called her a whore. She needs to pack up and LEAVE. She has a successful business; she's a pretty girl. She can find happiness outside of this dysfunctional polygamous web. barb kicked over her jewelry table because she had just found out that marge lied to her about the kiss. and btw, how tacky is it to set up shop at that event??? margie's "plight" is a lie. her entire business persona is a lie. she is not single mother trying to earn enough to support he children! without bill's money and resources, marge would never have even gotten this business off the ground. if it weren't for bill and the family, marge would either still babysitting, waitressing or pole dancing. the reason why crap is being dished out to her is because she deserves it! she has been flirting with ben since the show began (which is sick itself). then she develops feelings for him. and when she acts on them, she lies about it. so you're thinking is that since she used everyone to get to this point while managing to drive a spike into bill relationship with his son, she should just pack up and leave. nice. marge needs to grow up. sarah is more mature than marge. marge basically told bill that it's been a whole week and he should get over the fact that she kissed his son and has sexual feelings for him. i mean why wouldn't the woman who wants to shove her tongue down her son's throat be called a whore??? personally, i think they should drive to juniper creek and gather everyone around. then they should have ben and margie take turns reading ben's loveletter to the tune of "endless love". now that would be television. and at the end, you could have joey draw and quarter frank. and just when frank is ready to rip apart, they all look to bill who after a coupe sends..turns his thumb down. 4 horses get their butts whipped and adfter a few seconds, pieces of frank star flying around. and as tjhe day draws to an end, we can still here margie say, so bill, are we good now??? well, the alcohol has taken me over. Margie gets a FU, get a life My question for Farscape, are you a woman or a man? Based on your rant, I would say that you are a man (if you are a woman, I apologize). I am not attacking you and I am not a man-hater but It seems that you are not taking the whole situation into perspective. Yes, Margene did benefit from being apart of the family (i.e. financially, emotionally). But those days are long gone!! The whole situation with Ben was a MISTAKE! And while I don't totally agree with the way Margene has been handling everything, I feel that she is reacting this way because she doesn't know any other way. And honestly, in THAT family you kinda have to me melodramatic to make any kind of a point! I am still TEAM MARGIE!!!P.S. And btw, the whole thing about Margene's business being based on a lie....duh!! She is living a polygamist lifestyle in a day and age where polygamists are persecuted. Would you rather she went on national television an outed her whole family and then say, "...By the way, do you want to buy a bracelet?!" ?...Of course she couldn't be honest in that sense because she would be putting the whole family's lives at risk!! |
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Post by biglovegirl on Feb 8, 2010 18:26:45 GMT -5
I agree on your assessment of Margene, biglovegirl... I just think she's a bit of a hypocrite. When Nikki was in the doghouse it was a totally different story. That I find childish. Oh yeah, def. But she's what? 22? I'm not making excuses as I'm in my 20's myself, but I still think she has a lot of growing up to do. She was not nice to Nikki about the sex thing when it was Nikki that was missing out. And then saying that Nikki can't have any of her nights even though she wasn't using them... I get what you're saying. |
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Post by ragnarockette on Feb 8, 2010 19:39:27 GMT -5
Margie has just been neglected by Bill. He treats her like a cum dumpster, doesn't take her seriously, and expects her to put the casino before her own business. Remember when he asked her to pick up the model and "wear the red dress?"
Think this is why she lashes out at Nikki and Barb, rubbing their noses in the fact that she has a high sex drive - because she knows that this is her "value" in the marriage, at least according to Bill. Just like Nikki's "value" is her ability to play both sides and Barb's value is her ability to put on the happy, LDS front.
Margie kissed Ben because he was the only one in the family who made time to support her. Although it was abhorrent, I totally understand the female need for male attention. I thought it was in good contrast with the fact that she was praying or whatever right before he showed up - she really does have faith in the family. But she stumbles. I hope they work it out. I'm getting a little tired of everyone just yelling at each other.
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Post by JJ77 on Feb 9, 2010 0:08:59 GMT -5
Shah and Ragnarockette - Kudos ! You put into words my exact feelings on the subject , and saved me the time of typing them... not to mention in my version there would have been many more typos lol  Additionally, I have to say - I am really shocked by so many coming down so hard on Margene all of a sudden. to some of the more specific issues that seemed to irk some ppl - Margene "flirting with Ben" : Margene was what maybe 18 when she married Bill? She'd never had a real family or someone to love her and I think the idea of being part of a big family appealed to her for that reason. Yet once she married them, she foudn herself goign from having a lot of friends, peers, etc to basically being extremely lonely - stuck in her barely furnished home caring for and having babies & look what happened when she tried to start up a friendship with the lady across the street. So with Ben, and Ben's girlfirend at one point, she didnt exactly act "motherly" but it think being a "mother" to someone 5 yrs younger would be a stretch. She thought she was doing her best mothering bit by being his friend (he'd tell her things he wouldnt tell his other parents), and in turn it cured some of her loneliness. If he attitude was flirty, I think it was more or less just her way of reating to peers - and personally i saw it more as playfulness. Did it cross a line at some point? absolutely... this season. Margene asking for more nights : Wasnt she willing to give up nights for Nicki when she and Bill were having issues ? It seems now that she's inthe same place Nicki is being sefish in asking her to give up some of her nights since she and bil arent having sex on them anyway. Once again, Margene is reduced to being of no significance other than "sex"... even by Barb and Nicki. Margene flaunting her "sex appeal" - until now it was the only card she had to play. Her offering to "buy" the other wives nights was her way of shoving in their faces both the fact they see her as bill's sex toy only, and that she is the only one of them able to be independent should she choose. |
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 9, 2010 4:08:14 GMT -5
Quite frankly, up until now Bill and the other wives have done their fair share of "using" Margie for babysitting, Nikki was notorious for leaving her boys with Margie and getting her to do errands for her in the first couple seasons, and she did her fair share of keeping down the fort when Barb wanted to have a job. And we all know what Bill use her for. And all the while nobody took her seriously...Nikki put her down and dismissed her all the time and even Barb has done her share of brushing off what Margie had to say. Nobody, especially Bill took Margie's business seriously until she started pulling real money. So if her being in the family allowed her to get her start, then power to her...because she did her fair share of contributing. Besides...she isn't even legally married to Bill. If she didn't have her business and he decided that he wanted to kick her out...what recourse does she have? Especially if she contributes all of her money in the common pot like Bill and the rest of the family wants her to do? I highly doubt that she would get that money back if Bill decides to kick Margie out....and she would have no legal grounds to sue him for it, except for maybe child support. As for her and Ben, while that's was wrong of her to kiss him and then allow him to be thrown under the bus for it...it hardly makes her a slut and a whore. She and Ben are closer in age than her and Bill. The live in close quarters and he is not her biological son or even blood related. So why is developing feelings for each other considered "sick"? That's the danger of having a wife that's close in age to your teenage son....AND of leaving them alone while you're out pursuing your own ambitions. Had Bill spent more time at home taking care of his family and the needs of his wives like he's always spouting off about...then something like this would be less likely to happen. And to top it off, Bill isn't really doing anything to help solve the situation. Giving someone the cold shoulder and the silent treatment doesn't help solve anything. Bill always doesn't this passive-aggressive cold shoulder treatment whenever he has trouble with any of his wives and I'm glad that Margie pointed it out when she said "Bill this is you not talking to me!". So yes, Margie does deserve to have some crap dished her way, but Bill deserves the largest helping! Welcome to the board Nikolena!!  I agree, Bill deserves the largest helping lol! |
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Post by aliensummer on Feb 9, 2010 7:20:50 GMT -5
I was also annoyed by Margene, but I can understand why she's feeling that way.
She has to understand that Barb isn't going to find out that Margene has feelings for her son and be totally fine with it. Of course Barb reacted the way that she did! She just found out that she's been lied to by Margene while she's been defending her to Bill, and I imagine she's having a hard time understanding what happened between her and Ben. Margene shouldn't expect Barb to be cool with that, regardless of the reasons that led up to it (and really, Barb doesn't know the emotional reasons that led to that because she's never been told).
So while I feel sorry for Margene because she's in a shitty situation, I feel more sorry for Barb who was thrown into that situation and has very little control as to how it gets resolved since it's really between Margene, Ben and Bill.
In my opinion, if Margene really wants to save her relationship with Barb, she'd stay out of her way because Barb clearly needs her space right now, stop trying to demand that she be respected by her, and work really hard around the house to prove to Barb that she wants to stay there. Everything else comes down to Margene, Bill, and Ben.
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Post by marigoldmama on Feb 9, 2010 8:56:14 GMT -5
Margie has had a tough life and I agree with you there. Bill hasn't always treated her so well and neither has Nicki or Barb. However, Margene is an adult and Ben is technically a child. Adults don't kiss children in sexual ways. And, Margene is Ben's spiritual mother or second mother or however you want to phrase it. I really don't like the story line for that reason. It's just too much.  |
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Post by ladykc on Feb 9, 2010 9:27:18 GMT -5
Margie's has had a tough life. I think her decision to enter the family reflects that. I mean, would a healthy, self-respecting 18-year-old girl be willing to become the third wife of a man old enough to be her father? (I mean, in mainstream America, not Juniper Creek.) No. She clearly needed very much to have a family and people to love her. Unfortunately, she was not mature enough to have a realistic picture of what her life would be like.
Also, the sexual mores she was raised with are completely different than the rest of the family's. (Not that this justifies her kissing Ben, which was not innocent!) I'm going to use an old-fashioned word, comportment. Mormon girls are taught to comport themselves in a very modest, self-effacing way. Margene was raised just the opposite way, with a showgirl as a mother! So I do think that some of her behavior which seems flirtatious is unintentional.
Still a Margie fan, though, and would like her to strike out with her own business and her own man.
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