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Post by sewitgoes on Feb 8, 2010 19:52:55 GMT -5
how old is Margene supposed to be? she can't be much older than Ben, and the way she was brought up, I think she is confused about the differences between flirting and friendship
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Post by rissmeek on Feb 8, 2010 22:24:44 GMT -5
Margene is only 5 years older than Ben, 4 years older than Sara. Sara and Ben are Marge's peers not Bill, Barb, and Nikki.
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Post by rissmeek on Feb 8, 2010 22:25:39 GMT -5
Farscape you must be watching a different show than I have been watching. I've never seen that family actually talk about the issue at hand.
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Post by trixie on Feb 8, 2010 22:52:49 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice at the convention before the vote, Ben introduced himself to someone as Bill Hendrickson's eldest son? Officially Ben is Bill's only son. Was Ben trying to"out" Bill or was it an honest slip?
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 9, 2010 4:12:01 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice at the convention before the vote, Ben introduced himself to someone as Bill Hendrickson's eldest son? Officially Ben is Bill's only son. Was Ben trying to"out" Bill or was it an honest slip? Good question! Ben seemed totally pissed too. He was like "He's a good man" as sarcastic as he could possibly say it! lol!
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Post by nikolena on Feb 11, 2010 9:36:39 GMT -5
so exactly how would all of you responded after finding out that your spouse and son had something going on? seriously. and that morning marge admitted to bill that she lied and had feelings for his son. it's great to be able to sit there and say how calm and rational you would be but i seriously doubt you would act any differently than bill. also, you don't know what bill was going to say to ben when he walked in on ben packing. ben brought up getting out of the house for a few days and then bill calmly said he was thinking the same thing. did bill yell and scream (like most people would after finding out they were betrayed) ? did he look like he was going to resort to violence? ben had plenty of places to go so it's not like he was getting thrown to the wolves like bill's father did to him. yeah, ben is 17. that is not some young sweet innocent age. and yet ben acts like he's 12. ben and marge need to seek bill's forgiveness. marge more so than ben. and bill knew where ben was going. they family thought ben was in idaho. bill felt bad because in his mind he wasn't throwing ben out for good. but after everyone's reaction he stepped back and saw that this isn't what he wanted. it was only a week after he found out. that and he's been under a lot of pressure and his family wasn't making things any easier on him. look, i'm not saying bill is perfect (far from it as all of us are). i mean the whole point of the show is to show everyone's faults (as well as good qualities). bill's heart is in the right place and for the most part does his best to improve life for his family and religion (which i don't believe is right but that's not the point). of all the people involved in this fiasco, marge is the one who needs to take the majority of the blame. she flirted with ben from the 1st episode. i just don't get how everyone here jumps all over bill and think marge and ben are his victims. Yeah...17 isn't 12...but it's still not old enough to go off on your own. You can't even get your own apartment at that age. And yes, Ben went to stay with his sister, but we didn't know that until the next episode and apparently Barb didn't know at all. Anyway...why the lie about Idaho? Why not get everything out in the open? Announce to the family that there is a problem and Ben's going to stay with Sarah while they work things out? No, Bill may not have meant to throw Ben out but if you were a teenaged boy and you just told your dad that you're leaving, and your dad essentially says "Good idea", wouldn't that be the impression you would get? No, he didn't yell and scream, but what he did wasn't much better. As far as the first sit down with Bill, Ben, and Margie, what really happened was that Ben essentially stepped in and took the bullet to protect Margie (kind of like what Bill asked Don to do). Margie admitted her feelings because Ben pretty much told her to grow up and she felt guilty about Ben taking the blame. At that point, Bill should have stopped and asked himself "What in the hell is going on in my family?" Then would have been the time to take Margie aside and ask her what the hell she was doing. Then would have been the time to talk to his son and ask why he took the blame for Margie's mistake (although a moron could have figured that one out) and what's really going on. Then would have been the time to gather his wives together and figure out what's going on in the family. Instead what happened was that Ben left...Bill knew it and didn't inform his own wife, Ben's mother of where he really went and why he left. Bill gave Margie the cold shoulder even though Margie wanted to clear the air. Bill just went about his business of running for senate. Essentially, he swept the problem under the rug. And that's the thing that's so frustrating about Bill. He's always talking about how important family is and how they have to stick together, but he's always putting them aside in pursuit of other things and he wants them to just go along without ever addressing problems or feelings. Well this time that approach blew up in his face and now the whole family is calling him on it. None of this would have happened if Bill acted like the leader and priesthood holder like he says he is and tackled things head on. But that would have required him to take time away from his senate run. Yes he has three houses to support, but he's still adding stuff to his plate that's not necessary. He doesn't HAVE to run for senate. He didn't HAVE to start a new church. He didn't HAVE to start a casino business. And he doesn't HAVE to have three wives living in three separate houses. These are all responsibilities he decided to take on himself, often over the objections of his family and now it's starting to come apart.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 11, 2010 13:44:53 GMT -5
so exactly how would all of you responded after finding out that your spouse and son had something going on? seriously. and that morning marge admitted to bill that she lied and had feelings for his son. it's great to be able to sit there and say how calm and rational you would be but i seriously doubt you would act any differently than bill. also, you don't know what bill was going to say to ben when he walked in on ben packing. ben brought up getting out of the house for a few days and then bill calmly said he was thinking the same thing. did bill yell and scream (like most people would after finding out they were betrayed) ? did he look like he was going to resort to violence? ben had plenty of places to go so it's not like he was getting thrown to the wolves like bill's father did to him. yeah, ben is 17. that is not some young sweet innocent age. and yet ben acts like he's 12. ben and marge need to seek bill's forgiveness. marge more so than ben. and bill knew where ben was going. they family thought ben was in idaho. bill felt bad because in his mind he wasn't throwing ben out for good. but after everyone's reaction he stepped back and saw that this isn't what he wanted. it was only a week after he found out. that and he's been under a lot of pressure and his family wasn't making things any easier on him. look, i'm not saying bill is perfect (far from it as all of us are). i mean the whole point of the show is to show everyone's faults (as well as good qualities). bill's heart is in the right place and for the most part does his best to improve life for his family and religion (which i don't believe is right but that's not the point). of all the people involved in this fiasco, marge is the one who needs to take the majority of the blame. she flirted with ben from the 1st episode. i just don't get how everyone here jumps all over bill and think marge and ben are his victims. Yeah...17 isn't 12...but it's still not old enough to go off on your own. You can't even get your own apartment at that age. And yes, Ben went to stay with his sister, but we didn't know that until the next episode and apparently Barb didn't know at all. Anyway...why the lie about Idaho? Why not get everything out in the open? Announce to the family that there is a problem and Ben's going to stay with Sarah while they work things out? No, Bill may not have meant to throw Ben out but if you were a teenaged boy and you just told your dad that you're leaving, and your dad essentially says "Good idea", wouldn't that be the impression you would get? No, he didn't yell and scream, but what he did wasn't much better. As far as the first sit down with Bill, Ben, and Margie, what really happened was that Ben essentially stepped in and took the bullet to protect Margie (kind of like what Bill asked Don to do). Margie admitted her feelings because Ben pretty much told her to grow up and she felt guilty about Ben taking the blame. At that point, Bill should have stopped and asked himself "What in the hell is going on in my family?" Then would have been the time to take Margie aside and ask her what the hell she was doing. Then would have been the time to talk to his son and ask why he took the blame for Margie's mistake (although a moron could have figured that one out) and what's really going on. Then would have been the time to gather his wives together and figure out what's going on in the family. Instead what happened was that Ben left...Bill knew it and didn't inform his own wife, Ben's mother of where he really went and why he left. Bill gave Margie the cold shoulder even though Margie wanted to clear the air. Bill just went about his business of running for senate. Essentially, he swept the problem under the rug. And that's the thing that's so frustrating about Bill. He's always talking about how important family is and how they have to stick together, but he's always putting them aside in pursuit of other things and he wants them to just go along without ever addressing problems or feelings. Well this time that approach blew up in his face and now the whole family is calling him on it. None of this would have happened if Bill acted like the leader and priesthood holder like he says he is and tackled things head on. But that would have required him to take time away from his senate run. Yes he has three houses to support, but he's still adding stuff to his plate that's not necessary. He doesn't HAVE to run for senate. He didn't HAVE to start a new church. He didn't HAVE to start a casino business. And he doesn't HAVE to have three wives living in three separate houses. These are all responsibilities he decided to take on himself, often over the objections of his family and now it's starting to come apart. Right on Nikolena! I agree 100%!
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Post by cherylr6 on Feb 11, 2010 16:50:45 GMT -5
Bill chose a polygamist lifestyle for his family. He should have known where the problems could arise. These are the same problems that may arise in the future if he choses to take another young bride.
Which of his other sons will be sent away for falling in love with a woman close to their own age who happens to be married to his father? Will kicking him out be Bill's natural response again?
If I were Margene that is the part that would be freaking me out. Nicki is
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Post by ladykc on Feb 11, 2010 21:57:23 GMT -5
Farscape, Ben is just a kid, so he is less culpable than the adults involved. Margie bears some responsibility certainly, though she's barely older than Ben - very young and inexperienced. But she must shoulder some of the blame, she chose to become involved in a polygamous family, whereas Ben did not. Bill older by 25-30 years than the other two. He is old enough to know what his responsibilities are as a husband and a father. Ironically, by Bill's own standards, isn't he the "priesthood holder" of the house, and by definition he bears ultimate responsibility?
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Post by prayforpeace on Feb 13, 2010 14:10:20 GMT -5
Bill does neglact his wives but that doesnt change the fact that Margene kissed her underaged stepson. and I dont think Bill meant to 'throw' ben out. He just thought they needed space.
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Post by zoar on Feb 13, 2010 15:27:15 GMT -5
I think it is Ben that is acting stubborn now. Bill is ready to forgive his son in fact he wants him to come home. Ben is not the only problem that is facing the family, there are other issues rising now. Barb said some really mean things to Margene that hurt her feelings. Margene is seriously sorry for what she did and Barb is just pushing the knife further in. Speaking of Barb, I wonder if she will tell Bill about her and Tommy in the sweat lodge. What is the difference between her and Tommy and Ben and Margene. Both women got into situations with men that were not their husbands enen though it did not go beyond that; and Bills hands are not clean since he had his little fling with Anna. For a practicing polygamist whose belief is to have all his wives with him in the after life there are some serious religious issues here. The opening music short seems to be appropriate for what has been going on this season.
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