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Post by bigluvjunkie on Mar 24, 2011 12:56:56 GMT -5
Hmm well I don't dislike all epilogues (the epilogue for War and Peace makes me tear up every time!). But for the most part I agree it would have been better with no epilogue--that way there would still be hope for a movie or spin-off! And it would have been fun to speculate about what happened here.
However the fan base wanted closure and would have been very upset without an epilogue to tie stuff up.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 24, 2011 15:25:44 GMT -5
Hmm well I don't dislike all epilogues (the epilogue for War and Peace makes me tear up every time!). But for the most part I agree it would have been better with no epilogue--that way there would still be hope for a movie or spin-off! And it would have been fun to speculate about what happened here. However the fan base wanted closure and would have been very upset without an epilogue to tie stuff up. The epilogue didn't tie things up for me. It just raised more questions.
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Post by wurks on Mar 24, 2011 17:00:46 GMT -5
However the fan base wanted closure and would have been very upset without an epilogue to tie stuff up. Well yes indeed, but that is exactly the point. The viewer/reader wants closure. So instead of another episode (episode at least, or a two hour finale, or hey.. another season?) we get an "epilogue". It's an author/producer cop-out. "Sorry we just run out of time and money" But not to worry; The villains all died of consumption or killed each other, and all the gentleman and ladies found true love and the good guys lived happily ever after in opulence. The End. So either don't turn the story into a ball of thrumbs or else take a few "moments" to tie up the loose ends. Art, good art at least and the same for literature, does not usually get afforded the luxury of an editorial to answer all the unresolved issues. Save all that for your collegiate group think discussion. What makes a good classic is when a good author finishes a good story. kwim? You want to read it again, and again... and not just to catch what you might have missed. You actually liked the damn story. Go figure? But "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
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Post by withay on Mar 24, 2011 21:49:52 GMT -5
Hmm well I don't dislike all epilogues (the epilogue for War and Peace makes me tear up every time!). But for the most part I agree it would have been better with no epilogue--that way there would still be hope for a movie or spin-off! And it would have been fun to speculate about what happened here. However the fan base wanted closure and would have been very upset without an epilogue to tie stuff up. The epilogue didn't tie things up for me. It just raised more questions. I don't think the epilogue was supposed to tie up all of the issues. Face it, there is never a time in real life where all issues are resolved! The only time I have ever seen that attempted (and damn close to succeeded) was with Six Feet Under. But I think that the writers pretty closely finished Bill's story. The unresolved issues had more to do with other members of the family.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 24, 2011 22:39:17 GMT -5
The epilogue didn't tie things up for me. It just raised more questions. I don't think the epilogue was supposed to tie up all of the issues. Face it, there is never a time in real life where all issues are resolved! The only time I have ever seen that attempted (and damn close to succeeded) was with Six Feet Under. But I think that the writers pretty closely finished Bill's story. The unresolved issues had more to do with other members of the family. But Bill was 1/4 of the family. I didn't want closure on 1/4 I wanted closure on the whole family. It really feels like they just tossed it together and didn't give a rats behind.
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Post by corajack on Mar 25, 2011 0:25:35 GMT -5
I don't think the epilogue was supposed to tie up all of the issues. Face it, there is never a time in real life where all issues are resolved! The only time I have ever seen that attempted (and damn close to succeeded) was with Six Feet Under. But I think that the writers pretty closely finished Bill's story. The unresolved issues had more to do with other members of the family. But Bill was 1/4 of the family. I didn't want closure on 1/4 I wanted closure on the whole family. It really feels like they just tossed it together and didn't give a rats behind. rismeek--I could not agree more. If the people here want shows that they can "guess" or "think for themselves" on the ending watch some indie films--I suggest Broken Flowers to start with and then see how ticked off you are at the end. (Granted, I love indie films--but I only spend maybe 2 hours on those, not 5 years). There are so many loose ends I can't type them all here but the disappearance of Wanda and Joey was one of the worst. Joey was in 31 episodes! He was a huge part of the series. Did someone forget him when writing the final episode? As far as epilogues--I'm not a great fan of them myself. I want to SEE the ending and forget the "afterwards". The only epilogue that I can think of that really touched me was from "I Dreamed of Africa". Besides that epilogues are a cheap way to end a movie or show. And the troll (who didn't have the balls to post or register when the series was on and still has not) quoting Gone With the Wind...you got the wrong ending line idiot. GWTH was one of the first true indie films which did not provide a concrete ending. Just FYI since you want to try to play games with quotes and flaming people. Scarlett happened to say, "...Tara!...Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Cora!
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 25, 2011 8:39:43 GMT -5
rismeek--I could not agree more. If the people here want shows that they can "guess" or "think for themselves" on the ending watch some indie films--I suggest Broken Flowers to start with and then see how ticked off you are at the end. (Granted, I love indie films--but I only spend maybe 2 hours on those, not 5 years). There are so many loose ends I can't type them all here but the disappearance of Wanda and Joey was one of the worst. Joey was in 31 episodes! He was a huge part of the series. Did someone forget him when writing the final episode? As far as epilogues--I'm not a great fan of them myself. I want to SEE the ending and forget the "afterwards". The only epilogue that I can think of that really touched me was from "I Dreamed of Africa". Besides that epilogues are a cheap way to end a movie or show. And the troll (who didn't have the balls to post or register when the series was on and still has not) quoting Gone With the Wind...you got the wrong ending line idiot. GWTH was one of the first true indie films which did not provide a concrete ending. Just FYI since you want to try to play games with quotes and flaming people. Scarlett happened to say, "...Tara!...Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Cora! I already watch Indie films, but thanks for the recommendation. Well written books will leave you with the same feeling afterward, and again, that's what I prefer. Life doesn't get all neatly tied up when it's finished, and I like my movies and books to be the same way. As soon as this season started I could tell the writers weren't going to be able to properly bring closure to the series. Far too many new storylines were brought in, like Barb wanting the Priesthood, Cara Lynn and the teacher, Margene's real age and its ramifications. I wish the writers used this season to start to wrap things down and not bring in newer and bigger issues that could only be dealt with in an epilogue because they didn't give themselves enough time to properly deal with them in the final season. The epilogue was a cop out, and in my opinion, the creators should have ended it either with Bill dying on the road with Barb giving him the blessing, or as a I said earlier, with his vision in the church during Easter service. At least that way we'd be given some indication as to where Bill's mind was heading, but weren't neatly told that everything worked out perfectly in the end without any explanation as to how that happened. I've already typed up a bunch of loose ends, and I think Joey and Wanda fall more into the category of sloppy writing. As to the troll you're referring to, he may have never registered here, but he was registered and a very active member of the original HBO forum. He also posted here during the fourth season fairly frequently.
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Post by withay on Mar 25, 2011 10:07:11 GMT -5
I think this is something that we are all going to have to agree to disagree on. The facts are that we all seem to want different types of endings. Some of us want all the story threads tied up. Some of us want endings that leave us to decide how things turned out and some of us want a combination of the two. Even then, we disagree on what exactly a "finished" story is. Ultimately, the writers had a story to tell. They have said that they knew from the start that it would end with Bill's death, though they were not sure exactly how they would get there. They have offered their story to us and it has met with approval from some and disappointment from others which is how these things usually go.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 25, 2011 11:02:11 GMT -5
I think this is something that we are all going to have to agree to disagree on. The facts are that we all seem to want different types of endings. Some of us want all the story threads tied up. Some of us want endings that leave us to decide how things turned out and some of us want a combination of the two. Even then, we disagree on what exactly a "finished" story is. Ultimately, the writers had a story to tell. They have said that they knew from the start that it would end with Bill's death, though they were not sure exactly how they would get there. They have offered their story to us and it has met with approval from some and disappointment from others which is how these things usually go. I definitely agree. I didn't mind the ending. Bill's death seemed inevitable and the scene was emotional. Plus, with such a diverse audience, it would be impossible to make everyone happy.
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Post by wurks on Mar 25, 2011 12:07:15 GMT -5
Just FYI since you want to try to play games with quotes and flaming people. Scarlett happened to say, "...Tara!...Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" So put that in your pipe and smoke it. I see you got the joke, only you didn't realize it was my usual sarcasm. I'll light my pipe with your flame. Thanks.
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