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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 23, 2011 0:10:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm Bill's resurrection? I like it! Then he really would have to become the prophet!
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Post by duets on Mar 23, 2011 0:20:03 GMT -5
Hmmmm Bill's resurrection? I like it! Then he really would have to become the prophet! I'd hope he would share this job w/Barb. As he stated in the Easter Service, none of us hold the keys until God sends us a leader [as Barb entered the door of the church]. For real, there's a church close to me where the husband & wife share the pastoralship between them!
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Post by sportyone on Mar 23, 2011 1:03:58 GMT -5
If the show did continue, why not start at the present, with Bill dead. The wives living together and have new men enter the fold. Give Barb & Marge new men. Leave Nikki single and taking care of the kids ( no man besides Bill could really live with her for a longtime anyway) Have flashbacks time to time about Bill & their previous life with him.
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Post by corajack on Mar 23, 2011 2:07:21 GMT -5
I agree with most of you and wish Bill wasn't dead and the series could go on.....but this is not Sex and the City folks. There will be no movie nor any more BL shows. BL really lost its percentage of watchers after about the 2nd season. Sure it won awards, but all HBO does is win awards and I have read about HBO paying people off but that's another post.
If Bill had lived then Barb would not be a Bishop and Margie would not be (for the first time in her life) doing what made her happy. She had been having babies since 17. Nicki is the only one without a purpose unless she makes her purpose the raising of the children. 11 months after Bill's death she was still dispondent. Will they find new husbands? Will they eventually separate?
That's up to US to determine, but the "Big Love" was betweeen the women (brought together by Bill so he does have a part). But isn't the Big Love in any family always brought together by women? The dinners, the celebrations, etc? Nothing against men at all...but the Big Love was always kept together by the women. The writers even said that in their interivew. It's the woman. Eh, what do I know? I just know what I have seen in my 40 years.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 23, 2011 5:11:18 GMT -5
We could always have Big Love: The early years.
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Post by jules on Mar 23, 2011 5:47:23 GMT -5
Jules, DH is the visionary here, lol. He says, nah, Bill didn't really die, they'll be back for another later season?? Uh, I wish he was right. I too, hated that Bill died, that blankety blank CARL. I hate to say this; but when I look @ the other shows on HBO; they're all so lame compared to BL, nuthin' really interests me. ;D ;D ;D I love it "Big Love Rocks!!!!" Come on HBO, please, please, please!!!!! BL forever. I agree Duets... Big Love was one of those shows that isn't like anything else out there and ending it so soon is just ridiculous! They could always bring it back, have the last scene play out with Bill sitting at the table and then... The sound of an alarm clock... Bill wakes up sweating and heart pounding... Looks over at a sleeping barb and realizes it was all just a bad dream and going into politics isn't a good idea afterall... The show just picks up the day after he announces he is thinking of going into public office at the picnic table in the backyard.
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Post by jules on Mar 23, 2011 5:49:47 GMT -5
I like this idea of an "it was all a dream" plot. Right now my heart is breaking and i would support any endeavor to resurrect the show. I think that the ending was just awful. I don't think that anyone really got what they wanted. I think that some of the fans got what they wanted, because they had a big problem with Big Love, meaning polygamy. I would have like to see the family really stay together with Bill as their center. Maybe we can build a movement to resurrect the show. ;D I agree with you 100%!!!!!
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 23, 2011 20:47:19 GMT -5
I didn't like the epilogue at all. I like it when the show or book is done, and the reader is left wondering a little bit about where the characters are going to go. I don't want any major plot line left undeveloped, but I like there to be a little bit of mystery that lets me use my creativity to fill in the holes.
I guess to me, this epilogue felt like the epilogue to Harry Potter, which I hated too. It was far too catered to what the viewers wanted and everything seemed to be tied up too nicely. For example, how on earth did Bill's church ever recognize Barb as a Priesthood Holder? We're talking about a very conservative group of people, from Don who thought that Barb was crazy when Bill mentioned it to him, to people from Juniper Creek. I hardly doubt that Barb, Margene, and Nicki simply telling them that Bill let her bless him when he was dying would be sufficient, especially since they could've just made that up and Bill would never be able to prove that. So how did that happen? How did Heather and Ben end up back together so quickly, especially considering the fact that not only did he cheat on her, but he did it with Rhonda of all people!
I'd rather have been left wondering whether or not Barb would ever be accepted as a Priesthood Holder, and if Margene was pregnant with a fourth child or not, and if Cara Lynn would stay with Nicki or move back with her old family, then wondering how everything came together so neatly in the end.
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Post by miceelf on Mar 24, 2011 0:19:54 GMT -5
Well, I've considered this from a lot of angles, and I don't see how it could have been a happy ending if Bill had lived. He was on his way to prison. I don't think he could have beaten the charges, and he wasn't willing to plead guilty to statutory rape to get a reduced sentence, so he was probably going to get put away for 20+ years. His church would no longer exist, and Barb would probably have gotten baptized into the reformed LDS church to have some kind of spiritual fulfillment, but she would always have important differences in belief and might never have a position of authority, teaching, or ministry because of that. If Bill didn't die, then there was no life insurance to pay off the houses and Home Plus (as I'm assuming there was, because they didn't look destitute 11 months later, Margie was going off to do unpaid charity work and Barb was a minister which is not typically a high paying job). Losing Home Plus, his Senate seat, legal fees...yeah, they would have been in dire financial straits.
Sorry to see a good guy die that way -- and I do think Bill had a good heart and was a decent guy, even if he often made decisions with his crotch and could be a real ego-maniac. Even as misguided as he was and having extremely poor judgment at times, Bill Henrickson truly loved his wives and his children. RIP Bill.
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Post by writerwannabe on Mar 24, 2011 7:51:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm Bill's resurrection? I like it! Then he really would have to become the prophet! He did die on Easter Day.
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Post by miceelf on Mar 24, 2011 8:05:43 GMT -5
It was far too catered to what the viewers wanted and everything seemed to be tied up too nicely. For example, how on earth did Bill's church ever recognize Barb as a Priesthood Holder? We're talking about a very conservative group of people, from Don who thought that Barb was crazy when Bill mentioned it to him, to people from Juniper Creek. I hardly doubt that Barb, Margene, and Nicki simply telling them that Bill let her bless him when he was dying would be sufficient, especially since they could've just made that up and Bill would never be able to prove that. So how did that happen? How did Heather and Ben end up back together so quickly, especially considering the fact that not only did he cheat on her, but he did it with Rhonda of all people! Bill had a significant event happen when he was preaching on Easter Sunday. He had a vision of the history of the LDS church, the families through history who made it what it was today, and the last person he saw was Emma Smith -- not Joseph Smith. He saw families, and he saw a lot of women who have made up the foundation of the church. Bill was writing what appeared to be pages and pages when Don came to see him in the backyard -- maybe Bill was writing about his vision and that the significance was that women hold the priesthood equally with men? As for Ben and Heather...Ben was a total idiot to sleep with Rhonda -- she is just nasty and horrible. But Ben didn't cheat on Heather -- Heather had already broken up with him in the car and told him that she planned on continuing to see the guy who was on the mission trip. Ben was broken-hearted, and really stupid, but you can't cheat on someone when they already told you they are seeing someone else. Heather had more of a right to be angry when it sounded like Ben was proposing he could have BOTH girls. But I think Ben was just clumsily saying that he could be with Heather, and still take care of Rhonda like he promised. He didn't want to marry Rhonda -- he had just told her no when she suggested that.
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Post by Fran246 on Mar 24, 2011 8:47:42 GMT -5
aliensummer said: .... and if Cara Lynn would stay with Nicki or move back with her old family.... Sorry, I can't figure out how to do that neat quoting in boxes thing. I think Cara Lynn did stay with Nicki...did you notice that she'd cut her hair? That was the clue for me...
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 24, 2011 10:52:13 GMT -5
aliensummer said: .... and if Cara Lynn would stay with Nicki or move back with her old family.... Sorry, I can't figure out how to do that neat quoting in boxes thing. I think Cara Lynn did stay with Nicki...did you notice that she'd cut her hair? That was the clue for me... I know she decided to stay with Nicki, I just meant that I prefer endings that leave things like that open, where after you're done watching, you're still left to guess if that happened. In other words, I would've preferred if the epilogue didn't exist and we weren't told exactly how everything ended up, including whether or not Cara Lynn stayed or left.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 24, 2011 11:03:55 GMT -5
Bill had a significant event happen when he was preaching on Easter Sunday. He had a vision of the history of the LDS church, the families through history who made it what it was today, and the last person he saw was Emma Smith -- not Joseph Smith. He saw families, and he saw a lot of women who have made up the foundation of the church. Bill was writing what appeared to be pages and pages when Don came to see him in the backyard -- maybe Bill was writing about his vision and that the significance was that women hold the priesthood equally with men? Maybe that's what he was writing about, but we don't really know. We don't even know if that would've been enough for people to accept Barb as a Priesthood Holder. I just can't imagine that something which would cause so much controversy could be cleanly and easily dealt with. Barb's whole family (minus Margene who doesn't really know the religion anyway) wouldn't accept her a Priesthood Holder, so why would a bunch of strangers accept it? Personally, I would've rather been left wondering if Barb ever was able to be accepted as a Priesthood Holder by a church of her choosing, opposed to just being shown that it was done without any explanation. I'm not a fan of clean, smooth endings which tie up loose ends without really showing the process of how those ends were tied. I prefer being shown that progress has the potential to be made and left guessing (and hoping) that it will end a certain way. But that's just my preference and why I'm not a fan of epilogues in general. As for Ben and Heather...Ben was a total idiot to sleep with Rhonda -- she is just nasty and horrible. But Ben didn't cheat on Heather -- Heather had already broken up with him in the car and told him that she planned on continuing to see the guy who was on the mission trip. Ben was broken-hearted, and really stupid, but you can't cheat on someone when they already told you they are seeing someone else. Heather had more of a right to be angry when it sounded like Ben was proposing he could have BOTH girls. But I think Ben was just clumsily saying that he could be with Heather, and still take care of Rhonda like he promised. He didn't want to marry Rhonda -- he had just told her no when she suggested that. Whether or not they were officially dating at the time or not, most girls Heather's age would say that he still cheated, and that it matters who he cheated with (again, Rhonda? Her and Heather are enemies. He couldn't have picked a worse person!). Again, it's one of those things that I would've just preferred to not have answered and be left to guess if they'd end up back together or not, or at least be given some explanation as to how they ended up together in the end. It really all just comes down to a personal preference of mine. I'm not a fan of epilogues. It's not that I didn't think this one was at least semi-realistic, I just don't like the way epilogues, for the most part, are done.
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Post by wurks on Mar 24, 2011 12:35:36 GMT -5
It really all just comes down to a personal preference of mine. I'm not a fan of epilogues. It's not that I didn't think this one was at least semi-realistic, I just don't like the way epilogues, for the most part, are done. I'm with you there. I've been reading English novels and it seems like they too often just get to the end of their 599 page limit with colloquial philosophy and then have to end the story with an epilogue or a "conclusion" so that the best part of what should have the climax doesn't get treated with the same talent of the language, color and conversation of the author. Sometimes they do the "lady and the tiger" deliberately so you choose the door, or they put a gut wrenching twist at the end just to fk with the readers mind. I'm thinking maybe I'll get rich and famous just writing up the endings of all the classics that got shortchanged in the epilogue. (muahahaha just kidding. I'll leave that to writerwannabe.) I have to admit though, that if we had known this was a "kill bill" story from the get go, we would have watched it differently all along. I doubt the writers even knew that is where it was headed from the start. I think the whole wasted season 4 would have had a lot more relationship/family substance (perhaps even a little romance) and a lot less of the bizarre.
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