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Post by WMAMM on Mar 17, 2011 6:31:37 GMT -5
Was anyone else confused when Nikki's mom said this? From early on in the series, it was said in private between Barb and Bill that Roman negotiated with Barb's health in order to get him to take Nikki as a second wife. They couldn't afford Barb's medical bills, and Roman agreed to pay them if Bill took his daughter. I don't think Nikki ever found out, but surely Nikki knows that her father was all for her being with Bill?
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Post by girlygirl on Mar 17, 2011 9:37:30 GMT -5
Why hasn't anyone said that Adaleen is just lying? Nicki's mother is the vicious and manipulative template for her daughter. She's just trying to hurt Nicki by criticizing Bill. She may even believe in her own disordered mind that Roman opposed the match, but viewers know this is not true.
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Post by writerwannabe on Mar 17, 2011 9:39:45 GMT -5
Nikki told Margene in Season 1 that she set her sights on Bill and worked to get herself in a position to be married off to him. It would have been typical of Roman to act like he was opposed to the marriage to get what he wanted out of Bill and Nikki. Roman probably wanted a spy in Bill's household, but he would never have empowered Nikki by letting her know he needed something from her. By acting like he was doing both of them a huge favor, he created a situation where they were in his debt.
We can also presume that Adaleen is over-stating her role in the whole thing. She needs for Nikki to believe that Nikke owes her something. Adaleen is grasping at straws. These people constantly rewrite the past for whatever they need in the present. As Nikki once said, she was just daughter #17 (or some number) to her father, nothing more than a bargaining chip in his constant power game.
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Post by KimLA on Mar 17, 2011 10:06:56 GMT -5
I always got the impression that was the way things happened, way back in the first season I think I remember Roman saying something to Barb like he was glad she was feeling better after her illness and he was just glad to have been able to help.
The storyline gets into it somewhat, but not in-depth. Bill had trouble paying Barb's medical expenses, and he went to Roman for help. Later, Roman told Bill he was indebted to him because of the loan he had given him. This was when Roman tried to bribe Bill into giving him a percentage of Home Plus's profits. Later on, Alby said something to Nicki like she was just "damaged goods", and nothing more than collateral on a loan between her father and husband- indicating Bill would never have married her if he hadn't needed Roman's money.
The thing I never understood was why Bill was so desperate for money when Barb was sick. I get that he either had not started his business yet or it was still in it's early stages, yet one has to be pretty hard up before they'd go to Roman Grant for money! And what about Barb's family? You'd think they could have helped him out, at least!
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Post by withay on Mar 17, 2011 10:27:01 GMT -5
It has always been confusing to me how Bill and Nicki ended up together. Not the "Barb was sick and Nicki came to help" part, but the underlying reasons. Why Roman thought it was a good deal and what he was getting out of it. It seems that the underlying reasons depend on who is telling the story and I do not think we will ever know the complete and true story.
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Post by duets on Mar 17, 2011 11:55:32 GMT -5
It has always been confusing to me how Bill and Nicki ended up together. Not the "Barb was sick and Nicki came to help" part, but the underlying reasons. Why Roman thought it was a good deal and what he was getting out of it. It seems that the underlying reasons depend on who is telling the story and I do not think we will ever know the complete and true story. My thoughts about this are, since Roman vanished Bill during his youth: I think Roman recognized that Bill had charisma & seriousness for the Principle, not to mention~ having a hard head, that he would later have to reckon with, or he viewed Bill as a possible threat[indirectly] , down the road. Or maybe Roman viewed Bill as a 'rebel' by asking forbidden questions when he was under Roman's authority. I believe that he felt it was better to keep his friends close, but keep his enemies closer. So, he decided to use Nicki as the pawn, since Nickie was already babysitting during Barb's illness etc. It just seemed to work as far as allowing Roman to have a personal inside scoop into the world of Bill, as well as his home, business, goals, & personal life was concerned. Withay, it's just my take on it as far as possibilities are concerned.  |
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 17, 2011 12:52:27 GMT -5
It has always been confusing to me how Bill and Nicki ended up together. Not the "Barb was sick and Nicki came to help" part, but the underlying reasons. Why Roman thought it was a good deal and what he was getting out of it. It seems that the underlying reasons depend on who is telling the story and I do not think we will ever know the complete and true story. My thoughts about this are, since Roman vanished Bill during his youth: I think Roman recognized that Bill had charisma & seriousness for the Principle, not to mention~ having a hard head, that he would later have to reckon with, or he viewed Bill as a possible threat[indirectly] , down the road. Or maybe Roman viewed Bill as a 'rebel' by asking forbidden questions when he was under Roman's authority. I believe that he felt it was better to keep his friends close, but keep his enemies closer. So, he decided to use Nicki as the pawn, since Nickie was already babysitting during Barb's illness etc. It just seemed to work as far as allowing Roman to have a personal inside scoop into the world of Bill, as well as his home, business, goals, & personal life was concerned. Withay, it's just my take on it as far as possibilities are concerned. I know I'm not withay, but I'm going to pipe in anyway! I understand your point, but it still leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Considering the sheer amount of boys were told are kicked out of the compounds, why did Roman single in on Bill? At that point, Bill was a nobody. He didn't own Home Plus until Roman lent him the money. So why did Roman help Bill out? He must've known that by giving Bill money for the store he'd be giving Bill power, and while Nicki worked as a spy for Roman, she also worked as a spy for Bill (which again, would've been foreseeable, especially if Nicki wanted to marry Bill since that would indicate that she would automatically have divided loyalties between her husband and father). If Roman thought that Bill was charismatic and had potential to be a true threat to him, the last thing Roman would want is to set Bill up financially by giving him a store. I kind of think this was a sloppy decision by the creators. I think they just wanted one of Bill's wives to be Roman's daughter because it added drama to the story right off the bat, but didn't necessarily think of the implications of how they went about doing it. This is one of the reasons why I don't think we'll ever see a flashback to how Nicki joined the family. |
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Post by firstwife on Mar 17, 2011 13:47:06 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Bill did own H+ when Barb was sick. The loan from Roman was to keep the store open since presumably all of Bill's money was going towards Barb's medical bills.
JMO, but I think that Roman may have initially balked at the idea of Nicki marrying in to the Hendrickson clan, but it was most likely Adaleen who got him on board with the idea of the in-house spy.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 17, 2011 21:07:52 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Bill did own H+ when Barb was sick. The loan from Roman was to keep the store open since presumably all of Bill's money was going towards Barb's medical bills. JMO, but I think that Roman may have initially balked at the idea of Nicki marrying in to the Hendrickson clan, but it was most likely Adaleen who got him on board with the idea of the in-house spy. You could be correct on the time line, but that still doesn't answer the question of why Roman would make Bill powerful. If Bill did own the shop but was at risk of losing it due to Barb's medical bills, that would benefit Roman. Without money and power, Bill would've been a nobody. Roman would've had nothing to worry about and wouldn't have needed Nicki to spy. All of Bill's big moves since season one have in some way included or relied on money and status from Home Plus. |
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 17, 2011 21:22:32 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Bill did own H+ when Barb was sick. The loan from Roman was to keep the store open since presumably all of Bill's money was going towards Barb's medical bills. JMO, but I think that Roman may have initially balked at the idea of Nicki marrying in to the Hendrickson clan, but it was most likely Adaleen who got him on board with the idea of the in-house spy. You could be correct on the time line, but that still doesn't answer the question of why Roman would make Bill powerful. If Bill did own the shop but was at risk of losing it due to Barb's medical bills, that would benefit Roman. Without money and power, Bill would've been a nobody. Roman would've had nothing to worry about and wouldn't have needed Nicki to spy. All of Bill's big moves since season one have in some way included or relied on money and status from Home Plus. But if Bill lost Home Plus he probably would have came back to the compound. At that time there were still enough supporters of Bill's grandfather to attempt to oust Roman and put Bill in charge. By keeping Bill successful at Home Plus it kept Bill off the compound and Roman in charge. It's just my theory. |
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Post by Dee on Mar 17, 2011 21:24:32 GMT -5
I don't have nearly the memory most of y'all do, but don't I remember that Bill was supposed to be the Prophet due to his dad's position in the FLDS? And somehow Roman stole that birthright from Bill?
Maybe Roman thought if he could keep Bill happy and prosperous off the compound, he wouldn't have to worry about him trying to claim his rightful inheritance.
Of course, I could have the whole thing wrong. ;D
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 17, 2011 21:29:45 GMT -5
I don't have nearly the memory most of y'all do, but don't I remember that Bill was supposed to be the Prophet due to his dad's position in the FLDS? And somehow Roman stole that birthright from Bill? Maybe Roman thought if he could keep Bill happy and prosperous off the compound, he wouldn't have to worry about him trying to claim his rightful inheritance. Of course, I could have the whole thing wrong. ;D It was actually Lois' position. Lois is the daughter of the prophet and since Bill was her first born male he was the heir, Joey would have been the spare. |
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Post by Dee on Mar 17, 2011 21:35:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, rissmeek. I thought I remembered that Bill was rightfully supposed to be the prophet, just got the family relationship wrong.
Do you think my reasoning makes sense?
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 17, 2011 21:52:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, rissmeek. I thought I remembered that Bill was rightfully supposed to be the prophet, just got the family relationship wrong. Do you think my reasoning makes sense? Totally! It's almost the same reason I gave. ;D |
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Post by southernsong on Mar 17, 2011 22:15:47 GMT -5
The way that Mormons select the prophet is similar to how Catholics select the Pope. It isn't about birth right, but rather, who exhibits the qualities that are looked for in a prophet. People feel that Bill was destined to be prophet, not really because his grandfather was prophet (though I'm sure that does help), but rather because he had something special inside of him. Nicki told Bill that her father had him run off the compound because he saw something special inside of Bill.
While Bill might be "heir" in some thoughts, it isn't like royalty where he automatically would have been prophet. I think this is key in Bill taking back over Juniper Creek, if he does - he has that something special that is inside of him.
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