Article: Breakdown on Polygamist Groups

[marigoldmama]

principlevoices.org/diversity-of-fundamentalist-mormons

Not sure if this is the right board...

[zoar]

marigoldmama,

Principle Voices is a Pro-Polygamist organization. Did you notice that the Independent Fundamentalist Mormons are largest single group. These are your Suburban polygamists of which the Hendrickson family on Big Love mirrors.

[JJ77]

Interesting...

"The terms FLDS & fundamentalist Mormon are not synonymous."

~ from above linked article

I really had no idea that they are not. Doesnt FLDS stand for "fundamentalist" latter day saints? and aren't latter day saints mormons?

what am I missing ? (apparently something lol)

[marigoldmama]

I don't know!

I know Principle Voices from reading around and they also were shown in that TLC polygamy special with the British girl, whose name I don't know...

I assume the info is reliable.

Odd, huh? Who knew?

I enjoyed reading about the different groups in an organized way. The "who is who" of polygamy groups. ;D

[zoar]

When you hear the word fundamentalist, it simply means that the follower believes in the 19th century LDS polygamy. FLDS on the other hand is a formal organization who followers also believe in 19th Century LDS polygamy. Independents are just that-independent from any group or leader. The word Mormon is generally used in referring to the LDS Church whose official name is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS)
What is interesting is the term Mormon was not used originally by the LDS Church but was a word the opponents of the Church coined to refer to a religious group who believed in the Book of Mormon. It was intended by the opposition be used as a slur against the LDS Church. The name stuck and the Church adopted it as their own. Thank God the opposition did not refer to the LDS as Josephites.
However the name Mormon could also be applied to any fundamentalist groups including FLDS because they all believe in the BOM. But if that happened then everybody would be confused. Better to leave it as it is, the Nick-Name for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

[marigoldmama]

Zoar, I did not know the Fundamentalist FLDS distinction.

I'm disappointed in myself.

Thanks for explaining that!

[JJ77]

Thanks for the clarification zoar !

now that i understand the difference between flds and fundamentalist mormons (or independents) I could potentially see fundamentalist taking offense to being called flds... as i assume they are "independent" because they don't agree with the way many flds / flds compounds are run and / the stigma surrounding them.
Is that a fair assessment?

[zoar]

May 19, 2010 16:16:43 GMT -5 JJ77 said:

Thanks for the clarification zoar !

now that i understand the difference between flds and fundamentalist mormons (or independents) I could potentially see fundamentalist taking offense to being called flds... as i assume they are "independent" because they don't agree with the way many flds / flds compounds are run and / the stigma surrounding them.
Is that a fair assessment?

JJ77,

Yes it is. Remember from the first episode of season one when Bill, Barb, and NIcki visit Juniper Creek, which is supposed to represent the FLDS, Bill reassures Barb that they are not like them.

[JJ77]

so basically flds = compund / juniper creek
fundamentalist mormon = the henrickson's / Embry's
?

Ok, I get it

[fincenmib]

I am a newby, but know the FLDS very well. I know the doctrine or theology and over time acquired 550 of Warren Jeffs Sermons, Devotionals, teacher lectures, etc. So many I have of recent been selling them off on ebay.

I enjoy the BIG LOVE series for the parallels the writers have included in their plots. I have only seen the first season and 3 episodes of season 3. I am also well versed on the Allreds, Kingstons, LeBarons in Mexico, Centennial Park the break away FLDS, The Petersons and several other organized groups.

If their are pro FLDS on this site, they will know who I am and no doubt trash me!

[fincenmib]

Juniper Creek = Short Creek, the former name of current "Colorado City". When Governor Pile ordered the 1953 raid it was called "Short Creek". Juniper Creek is pretty close! The name was changed when they incorporated, though locals are always "creekers"!

I'm still trying to figure out Roman! He is older than Warren Jeffs and way younger than Rulon was. There wasn't a serious rival between father and son and Rulon Jeffs died in late 2002. There was only 1 reference in Carolyn Jessops book ESCAPE to Rulon wanting his power back. Warren had pretty much a choke hold on his father for at least the last 5 years of Rulons life.

The early BIG LOVE consultants were from the Allred group which are moderates, but the story line more closely follows the FLDS. Bill could be modeled after a well known apostate who left, but the business Bill owns is quite different. Also if they were modelling after this peticular person, it would likely be opposed by him. Not everyone wanted BIG LOVE to air, though Flora and I believed any publicity was good publicity.

But there are many, many, similarities.

[marigoldmama]

Oh totally!
We've had a lot of fun trying to put together who is who.

I believe someone posted the Kingston group was JJ and his wacky pure race of people.

[rhinestone_cowgirl]

fincenmib I agree in the early episodes they were modelling the Juniper creek crowd more on the Allred group; the 'compound' is more in line with the compound that the Allred group have in Montana; from what I have read; plus the dress of the women was more in line with more moderate groups than FLDS, but it seems with the whole ranch raid the writers seemed to think it would be a real ratings winner to model it closely on the FLDS. I also believe the Greenes were modelled on the Kingstons originally; i.e. them actually living in their factories/other places of work and references in the second season to them being inbred, but they now seem to have made a clear distinction between the Greenes=LeBarons and JJs group=Kingstons. If you look into it historically the FLDS, Allred Group/AUB and Kingstons were all part of the same grouping until the 40s and 50s.