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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 1, 2010 16:06:50 GMT -5
I agree with you marigoldmama, I also see Marilyn "obsessing" over Bill's life. She had not just 1, but 2 different videos of the margene incident playing on her laptop... Then we find out all the info she has on Bill regarding his tax records and personal business dealings... Then she's sitting there crying and drinking and calls up Barb.
I do agree with JJ77 that there IS some affection for Barb there... But I still don't think Marilyn is playing with a full deck. If she were, she could sell her services to people without having to create a problem for them to need her in the first place. That kind of manipulation is DEEP.
That would be like a lawyer rigging your neighbors car to run into yours, and being there when the ambulance shows up waiting to represent your personal injury lawsuit. That is just in my honest opinion NUTS!
Part of me wants to see Marilyn take Bill down to china town... The other part of me agrees with dsc6, that if she takes down Bill she takes down the entire family and I don't want to see that happen.
I suspect she also was once a woman of polygamy herself... Or something very close to it. Perhaps she allowed her husband to have his affairs and it screwed her up a bit.
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Post by albertaleon on Mar 1, 2010 16:07:56 GMT -5
JJ77, I agree with you. I think the camera vaguely showed a bottle of liquor indicating that Marilyn was drinking when she called Barb. JJ77 posted "but what she said was pretty spot on if you ask me.- compromises barb has made, trimming her concience to adapt to bill's desires, etc.I think she did it as a warning to barb, and to leave her with some "food for thought". I didnt feel she was being viscious to barb. I felt it was her way of saying "listen sister, before this blows compeltely up (and it will) here's something to chew on - i understand you b/c in a lot of ways i am you."
I think that Marilyn sees Barb as herself before Marilyn became so independent (and a shark for lack of better word). In this season the writers of Big Love said in an interview that Barb will be impressed with Marilyn's independence.
In my opinion Marilyn sees Bill as a self serving jerk that does not genuienly care about his wife Barb. I don't think that Marilyn is onto the polygamy yet. But does think that Bill is having an affair with Margene and Barb is just sitting back "standing by her man" and looking the other way. Barb has made a great deal of sacraficices for Bill and his visions.
I cannot get a grasp on Barb. I don't know if she has ever been comfortable with having sister wives and living the principal. I think that Bill changed their life (deciding to live the principal) out of greed because it was easy for Bill to get money from Roman. Bill is inteliigent and obviosly can achieve a great deal. I think that Bill could have had other options to get money for Home Plus but took the easy way out getting Roman involved. As I have stated before, it has been referred to on the show that Nicki wanted to be with Bill. Basically, Nicki did everything she could do manipulate and conive the situation so that she could go with Bill. I am not saying anything bad about Nicki's manipulative and coniving behavior to get her way. That is who she is and I believe she learned it from living on Juniper Creek. Nicki's daughter displayed manipulative behavior in DC when she told that Nicki had a gun in her purse. Cara Lynn was angry and not getting her way. So, she manipulated the situation to punish Nicki.
Nicki seems to be really changing. I don't know what her thoughts about Juniper Creek are now. She was wearing "normal" clothing but then changed back to her old clothing after her visit wih Alby. Nicki seems to be professing that she has true love for Bill now. Telling him that she does not want to share him any longer.
As far as Marilyn, Barb and Bill are concerned I think all of this has become personal for Marilyn. Barb must remind Marilyn of her weaker and more vulnerable self. Marilyn must have been really hurt by the men in her life. Perhaps Marilyn cannot understand how Barb can just let Bill's "affairs" go on without standing up for herself. Or why Marilyn does not see Barb becoming bitter and angry due to Bill's treatment like she (Marilyn) did when being hurt and betrayed by the men in her life.
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Post by nikolena on Mar 2, 2010 9:37:38 GMT -5
I think that's it's mostly about "winning" for Marilyn. For folks playing games like she does at the political level she's at, winning usually is THE main motivation for pretty much everything they do. Does she care about Barb? Maybe...but I don't really buy that she does. And if she does, I don't think it's very much. She did after all play Barb so that she could get hired to represent the casino. And she sure didn't look the least bit compassionate when she brought the "affair" hammer down on Bill in front of Barb. I think that she was mostly pissed because the whole "affair" reveal didn't have the effect that she was expecting and the phone call to Barb was her way of trying to figure out why it didn't and to poke more holes in the Henrickson armor.
Bill really irritated her in Washington with the whole "secretary" thing and she made his life difficult just because until she found that he had connections with a casino. Then she started making nice with him and schmoozing him up. She made friends with Barb because Bill clearly didn't trust her and was always trying to blow her off. Now that her underhandedness has been discovered by Bill (she doesn't know that it was mostly Barb and Tommy that figured it out) and she's been fired, she's gone from pissed to furious and I think that she's going to pull out every stop she can to bring Bill down...Barb or no Barb.
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Post by nikolena on Mar 2, 2010 10:02:08 GMT -5
I also doubt that she's had many connections with polygamists before, otherwise she would have figured out Margie's real connection with Bill and Barb by now or at least strongly suspect it, especially after the affair reveal went flat. Bill and Barb are non-practicing Mormans, they live in Utah (a state with a polygamist past and present), Bill has known connections with Juniper Creek, she witnesses some kind of "relationship" between Bill and Margie, Bill is investing in Margie's business...and to top it off they're neighbors. It's not a big leap to make if you've had some dealings with the culture before and sit down to really think about it.
She probably has had some bad dealings with her ex-husband that's effecting her behavior and her reaction to Bill. And if she's been dealing with the political and business world for any length of time, she's certainly gotten her share of crap from other men. Politics and business is chock-full of chauvanists.
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Post by lynng on Mar 2, 2010 11:43:53 GMT -5
I suspect she also was once a woman of polygamy herself... Or something very close to it. Perhaps she allowed her husband to have his affairs and it screwed her up a bit. I totally see this happening, she's "attached" for some reason, some deep seeded thing that's personal. I also think she knows Bill is a pliggy already, further fueling her on.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 2, 2010 16:22:28 GMT -5
It probably wasn't polygamy that Marilyn was involved with... But... she probably was convinced to deal with an open marriage or something like that. She probably had her self esteem reduced to nothing, and tolerated an abusive, cheating husband for a long time. That is why she's so "attached" so to speak.
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 2, 2010 16:45:37 GMT -5
Maybe her husband had an affair with his secretary, and that's why Bill's mistaking her for a secretary set her off.
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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 2, 2010 17:09:09 GMT -5
To me, it seems so bizarre to be so concerned about another person's life.
Maybe because I'm in a different place in my life but I would never have all that time or energy to destroy anyone, especially a stranger that I just met.
Marilyn should get a boyfriend, a dog or maybe a hobby or something? ;D
Right now, Bill is her hobby and that is not healthy for anyone.
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 3, 2010 1:31:58 GMT -5
I dont think that marilyn was scamming bill / extorting the casino JUST b/c she doesnt like Bill. It's not something that started with Bill / his casino. (Remember Tommy's "report"?) It wa sjust business as usual for her - but i do think she has taken it to a personal level for the first time because of her deep feelings towards bill.
My guess - she's a woman scorned. Bill reminds her of her ex, Barb reminds her of herself and she sees this as an opportunity to right the wrong that her husband did her. Business has gotten personal for that reason.
As far as her watching the video of margene - Bill called her out on extortion, she was reseacrhing to find some ammo of her own & began peicing together the margene connection. I think she was shocked by it b/c she thought barb was completely in the dark / innocent, and then realized she wasnt.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 3, 2010 16:48:54 GMT -5
I dont think that marilyn was scamming bill / extorting the casino JUST b/c she doesnt like Bill. It's not something that started with Bill / his casino. (Remember Tommy's "report"?) It wa sjust business as usual for her - but i do think she has taken it to a personal level for the first time because of her deep feelings towards bill. My guess - she's a woman scorned. Bill reminds her of her ex, Barb reminds her of herself and she sees this as an opportunity to right the wrong that her husband did her. Business has gotten personal for that reason. As far as her watching the video of margene - Bill called her out on extortion, she was reseacrhing to find some ammo of her own & began peicing together the margene connection. I think she was shocked by it b/c she thought barb was completely in the dark / innocent, and then realized she wasnt. I totally agree with everything you said and was just going to say it. Right now, Bill can out her illegal dealings without any concern. Marilyn wants/needs to find something to prevent Bill from doing that, and that's where Margene comes in. Perhaps the reason why Marilyn feels so betrayed by Barb knowing about the "affair" and not doing anything is because Marilyn didn't know that her own husband was cheating on her but everyone else did. She might feel as though Barb is betraying her in that way, and that's why she made the phone call.
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Post by rissmeek on Mar 3, 2010 21:52:31 GMT -5
I am beginning to think that Marilyn is just a bitter drunk and not so much a fruit loop. There are some deep seeded issues going on here and I'm not sure why. There's something about Bill that gets her goat. If it's the fact that he's unavailable, chauvinistic, or has too many morals I'm not sure. I think she took some pure joy in calling Barb and telling her about Margie and was pissed that Barb wasn't upset.
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