Nikki's rant on Margene!

[BigLoveRocks!]

Seriously... I do think Nikki had a right to be offended by Margene and I got chills when she flipped the chair and took off!

What did you all think?

[SPORTYONE]

Nikki has so much inner rage. She doesn't know how to deal with her feelings of jealousy, anger, self pity etc. & Margene is just a convenient target. Nikki needs professional help or at least a session with the church leaders before she explodes.

[jblovessharks]

i think margene has her valid arguements about being so young and married to bill and now not having had the time/ability to grow into her own individual person etc

but so does nicki.

i dont think only one can have that issue so for nicki to go off on her saying 'my issue is bigger - be happy with what you had' is childish but at the same time also perfectly in character for her.

they both need to work on themselves but in different ways. i think margene is missing the independent phase of young adulthood where she is finding who she is in terms of careers/interests/relationships etc whereas nicki was held up at simply just being allowed to be a child/young girl without having to worry about careers/interests/relationships

i know it prob wont happen but those two girls need to work WITH each other and stop trying to compare their problems to see who's requires more sympathy/support from everyone, ya know?

i'm really glad tho that we're finally seeing nicki admitting that she really was messed up and feels damaged by everthing that happened to her. it could be pms but i was tearing up all episode whenever she was on screen and had tears in her eyes. its like she was abut to start crying at every turn. i really feel for her and i can honestly see her breaking down before the season ends.

i wish there wasn't so much going on in the show right now because i think she seriously deserves like an entire episode to herself and her issues/past - with caralynn and wanda too because it's all connected. i really want her to have some closure or at least start on that road but with the election and anna and the casino the few moments we see nicki getting out her despair are always cut short!

i really dont want her to turn into wanda... tho i wouldn't be surprised if both of them are playing in the farm with the ponies (or whatever it was wanda said at the end of the episode).

[prayforpeace]

I am with Nikki on this. No one told Margene to get married so young. No one told her to pop out baby after baby. She choose on her free will to do this!

And shes going to sit there across from Nikki-who was forced to marry at 14, forced at 14 to have sex thus forceing her to be that young and pregant-and harp about how she didnt have a in between?! Im shocked nikki didnt reach across that table and slap margene clear acrossed the face!

[jblovessharks]

margie had a choice to start dating bill/marry into the family but she certainly doesn't seem to have many choices right now that are her own... we saw what happened when it came out nicki was on the pill to not have kids... the same would have been true if margie had been on the pill... sure she can take her three kids and leave and keep up with her business but not without a fight from the others im sure (especially about the kids!) so while her choices might seem like they were more her choices, she still is now locked into a situation that keeps her bound to others peoples wants of her

nicki being forced into marriage and having the kid at 14 etc isn't really the same thing... that is abuse and horrible but it's not comparable to at least what i was saying about margie not having choices. apples and oranges i mean by not comparable.

not trying to argue at all i just see it a little differently *shrugs*

Oh, maybe to clarify even more cause im really bad today at writing what im thinking - margie isn't complaining about being forced to marry bill and have many kids which is what took away her opportunity to have her own life... she's saying that now that she is with him and their family, she's being stifled... like she chose to marry him and have the kids but didn't know it would mean she'd lose out on her individual growth... how was she supposed to know it would turn out that way? so even tho it was her CHOICE, she's still in a situation that's stifling and now doesn't know what to do.

[katilee]

I get exactly where Nicki is coming from...I think that is part of the issue, the writers seem to have such a handle on Nikki's character, her motivations, her background, her internal conflicts, etc... but Marge and Barb keep flippin' on us.

Anyway, Nikki is obviously having a crisis of faith, as well as dealing with her issues of being basically raped by JJ, and forced into a life not of her own choosing. She is extremely jealous that Margene feels comfortable enough to find her own path. Nikki didn't ever think this was an option for her.

It bothers me so much that the other wives don't seem to notice at all that Nikki is dealing with her past. They are supposed to be a happy married foursome, and each of them is so selfish and self-centered. But Barb, the most, is driving me GAGA. I told my hubby that she must be going through menopause, b/c this WHOLE season, she is exploding like EVER 10 seconds. She needs to chill out.

In Margene's latest blog, she makes a REALLY good point. She says if Barb was the one on the fence about exposing the family, they would all be discussing it, but since it is Margie, they dismiss her. She is right. Why does Barb have so much power? She drives me LOCO!!!

[samantha]

Good point katilee! Why aren't they discussing exposing themselves and why aren't Barb and Nikki upset about it?

[kambria]

Feb 15, 2010 16:58:56 GMT -5 samantha said:

Good point katilee! Why aren't they discussing exposing themselves and why aren't Barb and Nikki upset about it?

Because neither Barb or Nikki have anything to lose (reputation wise). They don't have a thriving business with customers who identify only with them (as Margene does). They wouldn't have to deal with the embarrassment of losing a business that they developed out of their own initiative.

Yes, Barb and Nikki may undergo some embarrassment, however when you look back at previous episodes/ seasons, both of them have already had to come out to people before. Margene is the only one who's identity has been completely hidden (except for that one time when Bill introduced both her and Barb as his wives in the early casino days).

[gypzymom]

I see each of the wives finally finding a voice of their own
Barb calling Bill out.
Margie spreading her wings and trying to take some responsibility for her own future.
Nikki trying to sort out her twisted past and find a place for her daughter.

Frankly, it seems Margie is the only one trying to do it without sniping at the others at the same time. Just my take.

[katilee]

I know, but how come no one remembers how it felt when bad things happened to her? Like we all felt so badly for Barb when she was exposed at the Mom of the Year Awards, and then when she was ex-communicated. Now Marge is facing exposure and Nikki is facing losing her religion, and Barb is like, "Stop whining." It makes me so angry.

Also - Marge was just as happy to be angry at Nikki when Nikki lied about the pills. She got angry right along with Bill and Barb, yet she seems surprised that Nikki is taking Barb's side now.

I do think Marge does have a valid point to be mad about being exposed though. I mean, I don't think it was right for her not to support Nikki last year, but I do think Margene normally is thoughtful, and they should let her have some support now!

Mostly it is Barb that seems selfish to me here lately!

[marigoldmama]

In season 3 with the block party, didn't Margene want to come out and she didn't care if they were exposed? She didn't want to miss the block party and was trying to calm Bill about being exposed? (am I remembering it right?)

Now that Margie has more to loose, she's not so hot to expose the family.

Before, it was Barb who didn't want to come out. She was working in the schools and wanted to keep her life quiet. Now that Barb has another job, she doesn't seem to care as much.

I think Nicki would like to come out. She has the least to loose.

[BigLoveRocks!]

I think Nikki was both hurt and offended. Margene is giving these speeches as if she's a single mother, got where she was all by herself with no help from anybody and she is accepting all this love and support from strangers who know a fictitious version of Margene's reality. Nikki feels Margie is giving no credit to her or Barb and when she busted out with the whole "poor me, I had no childhood" comment, Nikki just exploded because Margie did have a childhood (maybe with a drunk mother) but she had one none the less.

Nikki has obviously cracked in this episode. I wonder if she's going to stay off the deep end or if she's going to get back to normal.

I also wonder if she got her outfit out of Margene's closet lol!

[ladykc]

Nikki will neither stay this way or revert back to "normal." She's coming to a realization of how damaged she has been by her upbringing and realizing how angry she is. She's going to go through this phase and come out as a different person when she's done.

[BigLoveRocks!]

I think this change will be a good one for Nikki.

Perhaps she will give up the prairie dresses and dress more like a modern woman does. I don't think the whole slutty gettup will be her permanant attire.

I must say though... Chloe Sevigny has some awesome legs!!! She really should show them off more often as Nikki.

[jblovessharks]

or maybe she'll take from alby and learn to go from cracked to prim and proper in the middle of a sentence (him on the phone when Lura walked in)

seems no matter how messed up either of them are inside and how it is hurting them, they still pull it together to get their agenda accomplished.

like adaleen too when it comes to this JJ sealing fiasco

though i doubt alby will be pulling it together so easily after losing dale... nm