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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 1, 2010 10:23:11 GMT -5
it is Margene. I just thought of that and it struck me as funny. Last season, Nicki could've gone to jail for using Margene's identify, the snooping and all that trial stuff. This seaon, Margene is involved in immigration fraud. Margene was not soo sympathetic with how she outed Nicki like that. Wonder if Nicki will have some revengeful thoughts? In the preview, we hear Nicki saying she doesn't want to share Bill. Maybe she outs Margene like Margene outed her? Payback? Get ride of Margene for five years.
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Post by writerwannabe on Mar 1, 2010 10:52:51 GMT -5
The difference between the two is that Nikki KNEW that what she was doing was illegal and did it anyway, using that lame excuse about "mama made me." Margene is way more dangerous because she does things with no clue about the consequences. Loved the look on her face when the immigration agent told them about the possible 5 years! Just like kissing Ben, threatening to out Nikki to Ray, flirting with Ana, Margene acts on impulse. She is a big threat to the family because she puts too much trust in herself and doesn't check in with anybody else before she acts. Remember the scene at the convention when the told the Webber Gaming customers she was Bill's mistress? Don't think she checked out the advisability of that with Barb or Bill before she did it! Margene doesn't think, she just does. Loved her line last night about "nobody gives me a choice." HA! She doesn't have a choice because she jumps off the diving board before anybody can tell her the pool is empty.
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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 1, 2010 11:51:39 GMT -5
That is ture, Nicki knew what she was doing was shady. Margene thought she had a BRILLIANT idea.
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Post by wurks on Mar 1, 2010 12:19:42 GMT -5
Just like her brilliant plan to court Ana in the first place.
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Mar 1, 2010 16:24:34 GMT -5
I don't buy Margene just doesn't know any better. Certainly if she is smart enough to figure out she and Goran could get married to make him a citizen she was also smart enough to figure out there would be SOME consequences if she got caught.
She didn't get nervous until the INS agent wasn't buying her lies... Once she realized that then the 5 years really hit home.
I thought last season her threatening Nikki in order to get out and work herself was childish in many ways. Yes, Nikki was doing something VERY wrong helping her father working at the DA's office. It was illegal and just WRONG. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is how Margene handled it. If Nikki were to go and get ANY job, she'd have to use another identity because of who she is, Roman Grant's daughter. There is enough office politics all by themselves at ANY workplace without that kind of drama involved.
Margie didn't care WHAT Nikki was doing, she just saw an angle she could use to get Nikki to stay home and be the baby sitter so SHE could go out and get a job. She was jealous that Nikki was able to get out of the house and have a real life and she took it from her.
Nikki didn't tell Bill about Margie's marriage to Goran, she let Margie do that all on her own. She didn't threaten her or try and manipulate the situation the way Margie did. I applaud her for that. She knew if she gave Margie enough rope, she'd hang herself.
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 1, 2010 20:15:33 GMT -5
The factor here that I dont think is getting enough emphasis is that when Nicki was doing her thing - she hid it form the FAMILY - every one of them. Margene isn't doing that. She may be in the same "illegal doings" club now, but she isnt in danger of being outted to the family - just the law. There's a huge difference IMO.
Margene felt personally deceived by Nicki and duped into staying home, being th ebabysitter again, etc. b/c nicki wasnt honest with anyone in her marriage. Nicki could feel mad about what margene is doing but she cant say margeen is hiding it.
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Post by kambria on Mar 1, 2010 23:03:32 GMT -5
Poor Margie!! She just thinks she knows it all and keeps ending up in bad situations that she brought onto herself. I applaud her for gaining her independence, but lately she has just been doing too many things without consulting the family. She needs to make up her mind about whether or not she wants to be in Bill's family or not.
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Post by aliensummer on Mar 3, 2010 16:35:59 GMT -5
The factor here that I dont think is getting enough emphasis is that when Nicki was doing her thing - she hid it form the FAMILY - every one of them. Margene isn't doing that. She may be in the same "illegal doings" club now, but she isnt in danger of being outted to the family - just the law. There's a huge difference IMO. Margene felt personally deceived by Nicki and duped into staying home, being th ebabysitter again, etc. b/c nicki wasnt honest with anyone in her marriage. Nicki could feel mad about what margene is doing but she cant say margeen is hiding it. I wonder though if Margene planned on telling the family. Remember, Nicki found out about it before Margene told anyone by walking in on the Christmas tree picture. She simply may have confessed because Nicki knew. If Margene really didn't want to hide this from the family, then why not tell them about her plan before she did it? There's no turning back now that she's married.
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 3, 2010 18:51:36 GMT -5
I think she planned on telling them - but purposely after the fact , so that they wouldnt stop her.
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Post by mellkell on Mar 3, 2010 20:36:28 GMT -5
Margie needs to wake up. smell the coffe & realize that she is an idiot and her ideas/ schemes just don't work----- falling for ana and bringing her into the family is going to ruin them--- now she decides to marry goran so he can stay with the babay--- please she is so stupid - she can't see that ana is using her cruch on her-- it supposedly is anns baby with bill, so she doesn't have to leave--but she plays on all their emotions-- the rest of the morman lunacy that the baby is theirs and margie's lust for ana-- I think goram & an have had this planned for a long time and are having quite a laugh
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 4, 2010 0:40:38 GMT -5
I just thought about something else -
towards the end of last season we saw Nicki saying "I'm so sorry for who I've become." In the preview for the finale we hear marge say " I've become a terrible woman." (or something like that) Barb says " I dont know whats happeneing to me"
Interesting parallel there as well... between all 3 wives.
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Post by marigoldmama on Mar 4, 2010 21:05:20 GMT -5
JJ, intersting point. The marriage is destroying all of them?
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 5, 2010 2:21:58 GMT -5
I don't think there is a single person (bill included) in their marriage who is at / in a place even vaguely resembling happiness.
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Post by katilee on Mar 5, 2010 18:01:42 GMT -5
The only reason Margie isn't "hiding" her stuff from the family, as Nikkid did, is b/c she thinks she can rationalize it to everyone and they will not only buy it, but ease her own guilt. Nikki didn't underestimate her own family so much as to say, "I'm just going to make excuses for my behavior and hope you buy it."
Marge turned on Nikki last season, and I just don't think it was fair.
When Margene kissed Benny this season, she trumped ANYTHING Nikki did all year. So you know, Goran was right about one thing - People in glass houses SHOULDN'T throw stones.
And I'm sorry, but I don't get why everyone gets so angry about Nikki lying about the birth control thing anyway. She came from the compound where a woman's biggest job was to be a breeder, and if you couldn't or weren't willinrg to do that, then you were n danger of being ousted, so Nikki lied. She didn't want to have another baby, and yet she didn't feel like she had the right to say no. Maybe she should have had more faith in Bill, but judging from Barb's reaction, you know she wasn't likely to be understanding.
Oh - and here's another thing I don't get. Why do they care about having more kids anyway??? They don't spend time with the ones they already have!!!
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Post by withay on Mar 6, 2010 0:34:07 GMT -5
Oh - and here's another thing I don't get. Why do they care about having more kids anyway??? They don't spend time with the ones they already have!!! They believe that there are souls "out there" that need bodies to inhabit on earth. After a man dies, he will get his own planet to populate with his offspring , if he has enough. At least that is the way I understand it. That is why having a large family is so important. If I have it confused, Zoar or Wurks, please clarify this for us.
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