dsc6
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Nikki
Feb 16, 2010 14:29:59 GMT -5
Post by dsc6 on Feb 16, 2010 14:29:59 GMT -5
During the last two seasons, there was lots of discussion about how bad and sick Nikki was. There was discussion of her BPDishness. I despaired of her ever redeeming herself. Maybe Chloe got tired of always being bitchy and selfish, because this season Nikki is finally opening her eyes. Nikki is having an identity crisis and that's a great thing. Chloe is playing it so, so well, too.
I was very moved when she told Bill that she thinks she is broken. Nikki IS broken; we've known it since the beginning. But until Nikki truly realized that truth herself, there was no hope of her changing. It's wonderful to finally see her furiously angry about what was done to her. It's wonderful to see her start to grieve over the terrible pain she repressed up till now. That scene with Margie (I missed out on the in-between. Well, I never had a childhood OR an in-between. Maybe I should write a speech about that.) was enraged and powerful and spontaneous and real and true and LONG OVERDUE.
Now I have hope for Nikki. The fling with Ray is over. It was just the ignition for the necessary imploding and re-birth of Nikki. I think there is a chance that she might just leave her current life in an attempt to find herself. She has done nothing in her whole life because SHE chose it.
I loved the '80s teenager thing she had going on there. PERFECTLY conceived and acted. I'll bet Chloe is loving this. I'm glad she got the Emmy. This season shows how well-deserved it is.
She is now my favorite character on the show. (Of course, one always loves the tragicomedic Lois/Frank/Wanda/Joey storyarc.)
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Nikki
Feb 16, 2010 14:45:07 GMT -5
Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 16, 2010 14:45:07 GMT -5
Nikki is my favorite too and more so now since last Sunday's episode.
I think Nikki will choose to stay in polygamy with Bill, but she isn't going to be the lie down and submit type wife anymore. It is going to be on HER terms only.
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Nikki
Feb 16, 2010 17:48:35 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 16, 2010 17:48:35 GMT -5
there was discussion about nicki being BPDish? im assuming you mean borderline personality disorder? where was this? in the show itself or on the boards?
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Nikki
Feb 16, 2010 19:42:57 GMT -5
Post by rhinestone_cowgirl on Feb 16, 2010 19:42:57 GMT -5
jb it was on the boards over on HBO, several people who had relatives with BPD and NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) were having quite a debate over which Nikki had; as I've said in the other thread the first three seasons I would think that it was the (usually) more serious narcissistic personality disorder that she has but now with this self reproaching side coming out; I think its possible she is not as pathologically damaged as that.
By the way what does the borderline in BPD actually mean? I've heard different things; one is that the person is stuck between being a child and an adult emotionally, another explanation I've heard is that its considered borderline because while their behaviour may affect themselves (and others I guess on an emotional level) people with BPD are less likely to be caused by their illness to harm others physically. So if anyone knows the real meaning of borderline; let us know...
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Nikki
Feb 16, 2010 21:52:48 GMT -5
Post by kambria on Feb 16, 2010 21:52:48 GMT -5
jb it was on the boards over on HBO, several people who had relatives with BPD and NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) were having quite a debate over which Nikki had; as I've said in the other thread the first three seasons I would think that it was the (usually) more serious narcissistic personality disorder that she has but now with this self reproaching side coming out; I think its possible she is not as pathologically damaged as that. By the way what does the borderline in BPD actually mean? I've heard different things; one is that the person is stuck between being a child and an adult emotionally, another explanation I've heard is that its considered borderline because while their behaviour may affect themselves (and others I guess on an emotional level) people with BPD are less likely to be caused by their illness to harm others physically. So if anyone knows the real meaning of borderline; let us know... According to the American Psychiatric Association, these a person with Borderline Personality Disorder has 5 or more of the following characteristics: 1) Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. 2) A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3) Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4) Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving, etc.)
5) Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
6) Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7) Chronic feelings of emptiness.
8) Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms.If I were to evaluate Nikki, I would say that she definitely has characteristics #2, #3, #4 (spending and lying/sneaking), #6, #8 and possibly #9 (paranoid ideation). If that is the case then Borderline Personality Disorder could definitely explain some of Nikki's behavior. Given her childhood and family back ground, it would make sense that Nikki has some type of Personality Disorder. (Sorry If any of this doesn't make sense. I am studying for my Masters in Psychology) Hope this answers your question, dasophster.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 1:59:49 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 17, 2010 1:59:49 GMT -5
jb it was on the boards over on HBO, several people who had relatives with BPD and NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) were having quite a debate over which Nikki had; as I've said in the other thread the first three seasons I would think that it was the (usually) more serious narcissistic personality disorder that she has but now with this self reproaching side coming out; I think its possible she is not as pathologically damaged as that. By the way what does the borderline in BPD actually mean? I've heard different things; one is that the person is stuck between being a child and an adult emotionally, another explanation I've heard is that its considered borderline because while their behaviour may affect themselves (and others I guess on an emotional level) people with BPD are less likely to be caused by their illness to harm others physically. So if anyone knows the real meaning of borderline; let us know... individuals with BPD tend to know they have it... as in, yes understand that they are damaged and that their faulty cognitions/ideations are a result of the illness (or in her case, a result of her upbringing - as the writers probably wont touch on her having an illness but i do also think its there) as for terminology - bpd.about.com/od/faqs/f/BPDname.htm I have "BPD" and can honestly say i have a hard 9 out of 9 in criteria according to the DSM IV TR (which was what was posted) i've heard the 'borderline' part being referred to many things (i've a degree in psych on top of everything so i can see it from two angles) and the most often and grossly incorrect is still being 'on the border' of schizophrenia... or like the article said, sort of between neurosis and psychosis. it was and still is i do believe a 'waste basket' diagnosis for individuals that did not fit into what was at the time and is sort of still now a tight little box of criteria for the major disorders (like your mood disorders or other personality disorders). Which is very unfortunate THough I did hear rumors that the new edition of the DSM is going to redifine the illness and criteria and *hopefully* get rid of the stigma associated with. personally, i much more easily embrace the suggested emotional dysregulation disorder which sort of emcompasses your suggestion about being emotionally between an adult and child. and complex PTSD, because one is not born With it, but with a predisposition towards it and well, trauma in early childhood can trigger it. so in long short - if i were there for those discussions i would have to agree that nicki does present with enough criteria/traits and has the history to warrant a diagnosis. Edit - oh, also wanted to ask - was there anyone in those threads that had the diagnosis? or just friends/family members of BP individuals? cause im afraid of how one sided it could have been if only viewed at from the nonBP side :/ (and i didn't sa this in the other thread - but i am currently in a relationship with an individual with BPD - and feel like banging my head on a wall on a daily basis - so while i stick up for it and can defend those that suffer from it, i do also know how frustrating it is to be the 'other person')
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 2:54:21 GMT -5
Post by JJ77 on Feb 17, 2010 2:54:21 GMT -5
Kambria - since your studying for your masters coould you give a little more explanation / insight to symptom #9 ? Not certain I fuly undertand that one. also what is "intense episodic dysphoria"? - no clue on that one lol
I found the list very interesting... even brought a couple people to mind. Whic is part of the reason I am interested in further explaantion of the above.
Obviously I'm not a psych major , but form a complete layman's poitn of view... yeah i could definitey see many of these charicteristics in Nicki.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 5:52:46 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 17, 2010 5:52:46 GMT -5
a snippet from the first link above which i think is important and paints a great picture of nicki is -
Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder frequently express inappropriate, intense anger or have difficulty controlling their anger. They may display extreme sarcasm, enduring bitterness, or verbal outbursts. The anger is often elicited when a caregiver or lover is seen as neglectful, withholding, uncaring, or abandoning. Such expressions of anger are often followed by shame and guilt and contribute to the feeling they have of being evil.
thats sort of exactly what we saw at the table during their meeting
AGAIN it doesn't mean she can get away with doing these things or treating the others the way she does - its never been about excusing or dismissing behavior (ill say that again at least) but more giving insight into the why she does/is that way
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 10:29:34 GMT -5
Post by bridget on Feb 17, 2010 10:29:34 GMT -5
so... i guess my responses are gonna be ignored... alright. well i can at least help with answering your question. or send yo here - psychcentral.com/lib/2007/characteristics-of-borderline-personality-disorder/ which has a much better description of what those one sentence criteria are. here's a link of one individual with BP's experience/descrip of an 'intense dysphoric episode' from inside their head - somedayalive.livejournal.com/5048.html if you read it through you can maybe pick up some things that sound very 'nicki-esque' as people have said im sorry if i broke a rule or something i just thought that cause some people post about their personal experience with polygamy that it would be okay to do so with this since it's related... I don't think you broke a rule (though a moderator would have to comment on that). I think a lot of people don't know how to respond to someone discussing their personal mental issues, just as most people haven't responded to my personal comments about polygamy. When it's outside of most people's experience it's hard to comment, and when it is personal it's even harder because you don't want to hurt or offend anyone. I appreciate your insight.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 10:39:26 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 17, 2010 10:39:26 GMT -5
yeah i would never have brought it up if it hadn't been brought up already :/ i guess im gonna just leave it be
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 16:45:37 GMT -5
Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 17, 2010 16:45:37 GMT -5
jblovessharks, I think Bridget is probably correct...It could be that people just aren't sure how to respond or perhaps they just haven't been back to the thread yet. I know I'm a junkie for this board, I'm pregnant and I work from home so I come and go throughout the day and night lol. But I have noticed a lot of posters only come every few days or so... Especially right before and after the airing of the show. Both yours and Bridget's personal lives are very interesting to us! I know I love hearing about both of you and I hope you don't feel you cannot share with us.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 16:57:21 GMT -5
Post by rissmeek on Feb 17, 2010 16:57:21 GMT -5
jblovessharks,
I've noticed that sometimes the posts are either delayed or posted at the same time so you end of missing one of the posts and it makes it look like you are ignoring someone. It's usually not that just a timing issue.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 18:23:11 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 17, 2010 18:23:11 GMT -5
thank you guys yeah see i was really over analyzing the lack of responses earlier (paranoid ideations etc) when it was something silly like just no one's been back or didn't know what to say - yet silence i immediately took as negative i feel like i need an emotional leash sometimes. tie me to a tree during the day, let me experience everything going on around me, but don't let me react until later when we get home and i can curl up in front of the fire and properly analyze everything from a position no longer in the moment or close to it! now, tie me to a tree with nicki and i'll certainly leave everyone else alone im trying to be funny... is it working? *peeks out from her 'i feel so stupid blanket'* LOL
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 18:52:08 GMT -5
Post by kiasmama on Feb 17, 2010 18:52:08 GMT -5
I would def say she isn't BPD. I often say there is a "society" definition of a disorder and the medical definition. IMO, she doesn't meet the criteria that Kimbria posted. She has reactions to stuff going on around her. For what is going on, I don't necessarily think they are inappropriate reactions.
BPD is a serious condition and affects peoples lives in a way that isn't easily comprehended. I think the way the term BP is used today in society really mis-represents how devastating disorder really is to those that have it.
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Nikki
Feb 17, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -5
Post by jblovessharks on Feb 17, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -5
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