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Post by marionj2 on Feb 8, 2010 21:31:09 GMT -5
I know we've discussed this repeatedly over 3 years, but it seems the show is really beginning to deal with the double standard for men and women in this society.
Bill is mad at Margene for kissing Ben, but he had a whole affair with Ana before bringing her home to meet the family. And remember Nicki telling Margene, "Our husband's dating is none of our business!" And Margene's reaction?
Now Margene's reading scripture and humbling herself like crazy to fix her "wrongdoing" - and being lectured at by Bill, her "priesthood holder"? Who couldn't keep his hands off Ana when he already had three wives? And took off his wedding ring and pretended he was single?
Oh, it just makes me so mad!
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 8, 2010 22:35:06 GMT -5
Yeah Bill definitely is a hypocrite to the highest degree!
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Post by marigoldmama on Feb 8, 2010 23:05:34 GMT -5
Mar, I totally agree with you but in this one instance, Margene did mess with a boy...is Ben even over 18?  However, the double standard went the other way this time. Ben is kicked out and Margene is home, comfortable and praying.  Bill is the king of double standards. Not to mention he is so good at lying I'm beginning to wonder if he is not a pathological liar. |
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Post by BigLoveRocks! on Feb 9, 2010 3:35:47 GMT -5
Perhaps Bill was conditioned to be a pathological liar out of necessity to survive once he was tossed from the compound...
Like he said, he found love and support and made something out of himself... But at the same time that need to lie has always stuck with him.
I agree, Bill is the king of double standards and he seemingly doesn't even recognize it!
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Post by withay on Feb 19, 2010 0:42:31 GMT -5
Perhaps Bill was conditioned to be a pathological liar out of necessity to survive once he was tossed from the compound... Like he said, he found love and support and made something out of himself... But at the same time that need to lie has always stuck with him. I agree, Bill is the king of double standards and he seemingly doesn't even recognize it! I think you are right about lying being a necessity; the entire basis of their beliefs (plural marriage) requires them to lie constantly. The way they present themselves to the world is based on a lie. And the more you lie the easier it becomes. |
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Post by missym on Feb 19, 2010 10:58:07 GMT -5
Perhaps Bill was conditioned to be a pathological liar out of necessity to survive once he was tossed from the compound... Like he said, he found love and support and made something out of himself... But at the same time that need to lie has always stuck with him. I agree, Bill is the king of double standards and he seemingly doesn't even recognize it! The truth -- survival at any cost! |
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Post by JJ77 on Feb 19, 2010 15:04:41 GMT -5
I think it's true that their polygamist lifestyle does entail lying to protect it.
I think this seaosn though we have seen the wives begin to show some awareness that Bill's dishonesty has gone beyond necessity though. I think they are all (in different ways) begining to see Bill for who he is, maybe even more clearly than he sees himself.
Nicki is questioning how different the ways her father used her are from the ways Bill has done so.
margene is questioning how "equal" a partnership their marriage is.
Barb is questioning his motives - are they really due to their religous beleifs or just about what bill wants.
It's good to see the wives openly questioning rather than just blindly accepting the double standard. I just wish that they could be honest amoung themselves - the wives I mean. In private they are all questioning these very like things, but with each other they are still putting up this "united with bill" front & seem unwilling to let the other wives see their own doubts / questions or insecurities. As if that would make them weaker in some way.
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 1, 2010 19:27:01 GMT -5
The double standard was out in force this episode. Bill thinks it's perfectly OK for him to marry three women - in fact he thinks God wants him to. But for one of his wives to marry someone else, even for a green card, was intolerable. He doesn't even know it's a double standard.
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 1, 2010 19:38:10 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty funny that even while clearly stating a double standard Bill still wasnt able to interpret it as such. Anna calling him crazy was right on ... lol I think the wives were in full force this ep as well - calling him out on it. Barb especially. I was proud of her  |
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Post by wurks on Mar 1, 2010 23:12:50 GMT -5
Get over it.
Polygamy only works if it is religious and patriarchal. It's not a double standard, it's a fundamental ... that is why they are called fundamentalists. It falls apart (in case you haven't been following the news) when the fundamental principles are compromised.
If you want to start your own religion that includes pearl diving for roto-rooter and/or some other more liberal amoral structure you should just go for it... if you can find any takers.
hey.. run for public office and try to legalize it too while you are at it. lol
What would be really nutty would be to come into the culture and then start bitching about a "double standard".
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Post by kambria on Mar 1, 2010 23:13:52 GMT -5
I laughed my butt off when Bill said, "...A man needs to know that his woman is his!". I was thinking wtf? And who does Bill belong to? The whole state of Utah? Bill knows his way of life is centered around his own needs, that is why he always uses religion to justify everything.
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Post by kambria on Mar 1, 2010 23:29:31 GMT -5
Get over it. Polygamy only works if it is religious and patriarchal. It's not a double standard, it's a fundamental ... that is why they are called fundamentalists. It falls apart (in case you haven't been following the news) when the fundamental principles are compromised. If you want to start your own religion that includes pearl diving for roto-rooter and/or some other more liberal amoral structure you should just go for it... if you can find any takers. hey.. run for public office and try to legalize it too while you are at it. lol What would be really nutty would be to come into the culture and then start bitching about a "double standard". ? |
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Post by JJ77 on Mar 2, 2010 1:15:43 GMT -5
Not trying to be rude here but WTF are you talking about??? LOL
I'm starting to think you might be able to hold your own in coversation with hollis green lol
"pearl diving for roto rooter?" are you ok? should we be concerned? lol
seriously - what ARE you talking about ?
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Post by wurks on Mar 2, 2010 12:22:13 GMT -5
I should probably just drop it here but ...
ok, well, actually it's kind of an old inside joke, ( i didn't make it up) but trying to compare or rationalize some kind of parity with the religious fundamentalist polygamy with a woman in the middle of a bunch of men is rather like trying to find pearls in the sewer. It is as impossible as it is disgusting.
It always seems to come up, but the only people who go there with this "double standard" nonsense have NO CLUE about what the fundamentalists are even about. Like-- divinely inspired love and family for starters. The whole stupid argument is based in screwed up morality. Sex and nothing else. It's pornographic. In fact the whole public interest in polygamy is because the unwashed view it as perverse. I'll grant that some people have taken it there, but it is not the real idea.
very truly yours, wurks
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Post by marionj2 on Mar 2, 2010 15:01:48 GMT -5
I like your signature wurks!
I should drop it here, but since I started this thread, here goes.
The people who talk about the double standard are mostly NOT talking about sex (and sex does not equal pornography, btw). They are talking about a core concept in this country - that all people, no matter their age, race, or gender, are equal. What's sauce for the goose has to be sauce for the gander (or vice versa, in this case), in other words. You can't have one set of rules for people born white, or black, or male or female, and another set for others. The same rules should apply to everyone.
And you can't change that by putting a ribbon on it and calling it religion. That, too, was something the founding fathers were rather firm about.
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